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how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM
The main reason they are wrong is most of them are trying to use science to prove their personal politics and the bend science to fit. The IQ test must be invalid because it shows some races are smarter then other races. They can argue the women make as good distance runners as men but they can't argue that women actually win any major distance running events.

There is more to sports then strength so it should be easy for you to point out the sport where both sexes compete and women do as well at the professional level. NASCAR is the only one I can think of but I am sure you can do better.

I don't know why men are better at math but if you won't accept the simple fact that men do better on math test then I really don't think it is possible to convince you since facts seem to be ruled out. I would assume the argument that it is a field dominated by men is irrelevant as well? Doesn’t mean a woman can not be very good at math but it does mean that attempts to get woman to parity in the field may be misguided. If you have to handicap them then it is hard to argue they are equal.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2057 Views
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I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1143 Views
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~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 713 Views
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Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1071 Views
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The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1008 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 588 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1018 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1104 Views
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I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1010 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1146 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1072 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 993 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 982 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1003 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 989 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 997 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1050 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 966 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1042 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 938 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 996 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 956 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1100 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 569 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 990 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1030 Views
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What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 918 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1036 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1036 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1078 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 955 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1185 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1145 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1019 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1054 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1044 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1070 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1046 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 974 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1020 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1030 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1050 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 960 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 926 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1027 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1021 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1049 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1057 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1052 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 994 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1012 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 992 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1065 Views
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It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1026 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1054 Views
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NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1019 Views
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Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 993 Views
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they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1054 Views
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Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 565 Views
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that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1012 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 937 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1066 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1044 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 991 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1067 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1079 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1004 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1111 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1022 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1041 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1020 Views

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