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I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM
Finances are definitely calling the tune though; I've long thought it ironic that those who insist a womans place is in the home and decry feminazis abandoning motherhood for careers are the same people who've done such a good job destroying the single breadwinner family. If you want June to have dinner on the table when Ward gets home and David Brooks wants Wally and the Beav to stop wasting their time attending college, give Wards union job back and stop giving his boss tax breaks for moving the plant to China. The rise of women in the workforce has a lot less to do with countercultures and feminazis than with the failure of economic policies that have made the single income homes they idealize impossible for a generation.

I'm not sure the study really "proves" anything more than that. Asking women if they'd prefer their husband to make more money than them is disingenuous, because WHATEVER they earn the familys income will be higher if their husband makes more. Ask men if they'd prefer their WIVES to make more money than them and most of them will probably say yes for the same reason. Would most women prefer to stay home with their families rather than having to go to work for someone else to support them? Sure, and, once again, most men probably would, too. Most people would probably love to live in a world where all their familys needs were met and they could stay home caring for them and engaged in whatever activity they chose, but this isn't a utopia, and, ultimately, maybe it shouldn't be, because that scenario would produce indolence perhaps to the point of stagnation.

Arguing against equal pay and opportunities for women based on such "scientific" findings is not only absurd and dishonest, it's actively cruel when accompanied by the conclusion that most women work from necessity rather than choice. They work against their will because it's necessary to support their familys, so you oppose increasing their pay and employment opportunities? How does increasing the very burden that forces them to do what they don't want to improve their lives?
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2057 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1139 Views
I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1143 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1158 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1148 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1145 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1134 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1079 Views
It's not just that choice though. - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1196 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 619 Views
For you maybe. - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1135 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1099 Views
Well. - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1170 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1138 Views
all 25 of them? - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1080 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1106 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 985 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1032 Views
it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1054 Views
Re: it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1077 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 658 Views
- 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1048 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1147 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1161 Views
In addition... - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1043 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1029 Views
Another one? - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1056 Views
Re: Another one? - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1090 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 713 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1156 Views
not to mention - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1094 Views
In addition - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1032 Views
you don't want kids? - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1046 Views
bleck - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1045 Views
again not the vibe I get from you - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1032 Views
Hehe. - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1083 Views
Not selfish. - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1045 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1105 Views
Poor Aeryn - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1031 Views
I replied before she edited - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 984 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1071 Views
Certainly. *NM* - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 657 Views
The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1008 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 588 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1018 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1105 Views
Re: Me too! - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1098 Views
I have a fiancee like that. - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1048 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1010 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1146 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1072 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 993 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 982 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1004 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 990 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1051 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 966 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1042 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 939 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 998 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 957 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1100 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 569 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 991 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1030 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1039 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 919 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1036 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1036 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1078 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 957 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1186 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1145 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1020 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1055 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1045 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1071 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1046 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 975 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1020 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1030 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1051 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 962 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 927 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1028 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1021 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1051 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1057 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1052 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 995 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1014 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 994 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1066 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 583 Views
It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1026 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1055 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1061 Views
Well put. *NM* - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 572 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1070 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1019 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2036 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 993 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1058 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 994 Views
Gotcha. - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 996 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 956 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 963 Views
they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1055 Views
Gosh, look what you started. - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1048 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 595 Views
Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 565 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1054 Views
that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1013 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 937 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1066 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1046 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 993 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1068 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1080 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1006 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1112 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1023 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1042 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1022 Views

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