The American right never supported fascism while the American left did work very closely with the communist at times.
If you're going to make statements like that you really should deign to study the politics of the '30s, '60s and even '80s that you've so often dismissed as irrelevant. There are two ways to read that statement:
1) That you're speaking of "the American right/left" as a whole, in which case the latter part is untrue because most of the American left has opposed communism as long as it's existed, or
2) That you're speaking of various aspects of "the American right/left" rather than the whole of either, in which case the FORMER part is untrue, because the Bund and other such Nazi fifth columns had an exclusively American membership and wholly Nazi objectives, and the support conservative America First leaders like Lindbergh gave the Nazis is well known (other conservative America First leaders like Senator Nye were likely just strict isolationists). One of the biggest strategic blunders in GOP history was allowing Pat Buchanan to eulogize Hitler in his '96 RNC keynote speech, and that same Pat Buchanan is on record as admiring America First; is he a liberal now, too...?
It simply doesn't hold water; there are too many contradicting facts, and simply saying, "I won't discuss that" or just "nuh uh!" won't unmake them. You're arguing ideology against facts, and you can't win that argument, though you can declare victory as long as you like.
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The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel
10/01/2011 04:02:29 AM
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The NYT and liberal media have created a climate of stupidity
10/01/2011 05:47:29 PM
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Pot, Kettle. I think you two should discuss your color.
10/01/2011 09:26:05 PM
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nice try but no
10/01/2011 09:52:01 PM
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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...."
10/01/2011 11:53:10 PM
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no you are just wearing Danny's blinders
11/01/2011 02:15:46 PM
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I try to steer clear of personal attacks.
11/01/2011 04:00:35 PM
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I try to make my point clear and I can't help if you skip them
11/01/2011 05:02:41 PM
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I didn't skip your points, I disputed them.
11/01/2011 05:51:10 PM
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you keep claiming both sides but you fail to offer any support
11/01/2011 06:00:41 PM
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Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize.
10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM
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they will neither back track or apologize
10/01/2011 07:54:54 PM
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I don't really think the NYT has crossed that line I was talking about.
10/01/2011 09:54:36 PM
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not sure where you draw your line but this crosses mine
10/01/2011 10:11:04 PM
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Yes, well, Krugman is Krugman.
10/01/2011 10:25:31 PM
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You see to be arguing we should assume his political views were created by the politcal climate
11/01/2011 03:03:15 PM
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Indeed I am.
11/01/2011 06:18:56 PM
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it is not a wake up call to anything but left wing hestrics if their is no connection
11/01/2011 06:29:47 PM
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wasn't pim fortuyn a right winger though?
11/01/2011 04:33:26 PM
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Um, yes, that was pretty much the point I was making.
11/01/2011 06:22:06 PM
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Was there anyhting besides his stance on immigration to support the argument he was far right?
11/01/2011 06:31:05 PM
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Yes, though it's true that is the key part.
11/01/2011 07:11:13 PM
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can one posistion define you as being far right or far left?
11/01/2011 08:23:18 PM
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One single position? I wouldn't know, I can't think of any examples.
11/01/2011 08:41:58 PM
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... cut both ways because soulless opportunism knows no creed:
10/01/2011 09:46:31 PM
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They probably wouldn't say much because it really doesn't show much
10/01/2011 09:58:46 PM
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It really doesn't show that he has "left leanings".
10/01/2011 10:07:48 PM
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Well they call him a liberal and like it or not the Nazi movement was an extreme form of socialism
10/01/2011 10:22:04 PM
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Deep sigh.
10/01/2011 10:34:33 PM
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well we are talking about the US right and left not the European one
11/01/2011 01:11:30 PM
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Actually, I believe we were talking about the Nazi right or left.
11/01/2011 07:04:56 PM
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wow I really need to stop posting from my i-phone an you deserve a cookie for being able to follow
11/01/2011 07:48:35 PM
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A thousand times no.
11/01/2011 10:38:19 PM
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Bucnd and the Nazi part are and never were associtaed with what we consider American right politics
11/01/2011 11:34:46 PM
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What you do/n't "consider" part of the left/right is precisely the problem here.
12/01/2011 01:06:56 AM
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Liberal college professors didn't call the nazis far right, people who lived under Nazis did.
10/01/2011 10:56:33 PM
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If demoniizing your opponet makes your a fscist then you have made my argument for me
11/01/2011 01:25:51 PM
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In a word, no.
11/01/2011 04:29:36 PM
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really would you like to point to the right trying to use this to demonize the left?
11/01/2011 05:59:49 PM
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I already have, irrespective of your inability and/or refusal to see it.
11/01/2011 09:53:38 PM
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I don't know enough about the story to say much save that partisan finger pointing is wrong.
10/01/2011 10:30:51 PM
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First I don't even know who WorldNet is so I see no reasont o defend them
11/01/2011 01:36:44 PM
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For someone who doens't know who WND is you sure circled the wagons around them fast.
11/01/2011 04:21:40 PM
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No they are in no way the same
11/01/2011 05:06:43 PM
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They're precisely the same in tone.
11/01/2011 06:04:42 PM
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the only thing you have proven is that you have zero support for your argument
11/01/2011 06:36:14 PM
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Enough.
11/01/2011 10:18:59 PM
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your evidience is dribble and if that is the best you can I am sorry
11/01/2011 11:39:05 PM
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Liberals and Conservatives have rushed to frame Jared Lee Loughner’s motives...
10/01/2011 10:34:09 PM
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Which conseratives rushed to frame this for poltical gain?
11/01/2011 02:19:55 PM
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But that's how it always goes:"The animal is so treacherous; when it is attacked, it defends itself"
18/01/2011 03:15:35 PM
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