Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM
What women REALLY want: To marry a rich man and stay at home with the children
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1345520/What-women-REALLY-want-To-marry-rich-man-stay-home-children.html#ixzz1AkinKYi8
Most women still prefer to marry a man who earns more money than they do and would stay at home with their children if they could afford it, according to a survey published yesterday.
Despite years of equality campaigning and advances for women in the workplace, 64 per cent said they aspire to find a husband who brings home a larger pay packet than they do. None wanted to marry a man who earned less.
And 69 per cent said they would prefer to stay at home to look after their children if money were not an issue.
Only 19 per cent wanted their other half to be better educated than they are. Instead 62 per cent said they wanted a man to have the same level of intellect.
Thirty-one per cent thought they were better educated than their other halves, while 19 per cent thought their husbands were better educated.
The survey follows controversial research published last week by Dr Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics, which claimed more women are choosing to ‘marry up’ by picking wealthy men for their spouse than in the 1940s. In her report, published by the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, she said men dominate the top positions because women do not want careers in business.
She also criticised David Cameron for backing the idea of quotas to ensure that leading companies appointed more women to their boards.
The research, which drew on existing data from Britain and Spain, showed that 20 per cent of British women married husbands with a significantly better education than their own in 1949.
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Was £2million happiness study a waste of money? It revealed jobs, health and family are important to us
By the 1990s, the percentage of women deciding to ‘marry up’ had climbed to 38 per cent – with a similar pattern repeated in the rest of Europe, the U.S. and Australia.
The report concluded that equal roles in the family, where husband and wife shared employment, childcare and housework, was ‘not the ideal sought by most couples’.
Now a YouGov survey of 922 women, aged between 18 and 65, which was conducted for the Sunday Times last week, has backed Dr Hakim’s claims.
It comes after a series of measures announced by the Coalition intended to decrease the pay difference between women and men.
Of the women polled by YouGov, 62 per cent said their husbands earned more than them. Only 16 per cent earned more than their husbands while 18 per cent earned the same. Four per cent said they didn’t know what their husbands earned.
For better or worse: But the percentage of women wanting to 'marry up' has risen
Fifty-nine per cent said they felt pressurised by society to go out to work.
More than a third – 37 per cent – said they disagreed with the Prime Minister’s plans to force businesses to appoint a ‘quota’ of women onto their boards.
Dr Hakim said: ‘Research evidence consistently shows that most husbands are the main bread winners in their family and that most mothers would prefer not to have competing demands of family work and paid jobs.
‘Mostly women like raising kids and mostly fathers are not that keen on doing it full-time. Social, structural and cultural forces are in place that mean if a man doesn’t have a full-time job he’ll have people looking down on him.’
But some experts disagree and instead claim financial constraints dictate that most women cannot afford the luxury of choosing, as Dr Hakim suggests, between work and raising their children.
Professor Jude Browne, director of Cambridge University’s Centre for Gender Studies, added: ‘For most families seeking to balance childcare and work there is no real choice unless you are very wealthy.
‘We do need more policy provision and it should be focused on, for example, adequately paid parental leave (as opposed to just maternity leave) and more affordable childcare.’
The feminist movement needs to focus on what the majority of women actually want not what they think they should want.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1345520/What-women-REALLY-want-To-marry-rich-man-stay-home-children.html#ixzz1AkinKYi8
Most women still prefer to marry a man who earns more money than they do and would stay at home with their children if they could afford it, according to a survey published yesterday.
Despite years of equality campaigning and advances for women in the workplace, 64 per cent said they aspire to find a husband who brings home a larger pay packet than they do. None wanted to marry a man who earned less.
And 69 per cent said they would prefer to stay at home to look after their children if money were not an issue.
Only 19 per cent wanted their other half to be better educated than they are. Instead 62 per cent said they wanted a man to have the same level of intellect.
Thirty-one per cent thought they were better educated than their other halves, while 19 per cent thought their husbands were better educated.
The survey follows controversial research published last week by Dr Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics, which claimed more women are choosing to ‘marry up’ by picking wealthy men for their spouse than in the 1940s. In her report, published by the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, she said men dominate the top positions because women do not want careers in business.
She also criticised David Cameron for backing the idea of quotas to ensure that leading companies appointed more women to their boards.
The research, which drew on existing data from Britain and Spain, showed that 20 per cent of British women married husbands with a significantly better education than their own in 1949.
More...
Was £2million happiness study a waste of money? It revealed jobs, health and family are important to us
By the 1990s, the percentage of women deciding to ‘marry up’ had climbed to 38 per cent – with a similar pattern repeated in the rest of Europe, the U.S. and Australia.
The report concluded that equal roles in the family, where husband and wife shared employment, childcare and housework, was ‘not the ideal sought by most couples’.
Now a YouGov survey of 922 women, aged between 18 and 65, which was conducted for the Sunday Times last week, has backed Dr Hakim’s claims.
It comes after a series of measures announced by the Coalition intended to decrease the pay difference between women and men.
Of the women polled by YouGov, 62 per cent said their husbands earned more than them. Only 16 per cent earned more than their husbands while 18 per cent earned the same. Four per cent said they didn’t know what their husbands earned.
For better or worse: But the percentage of women wanting to 'marry up' has risen
Fifty-nine per cent said they felt pressurised by society to go out to work.
More than a third – 37 per cent – said they disagreed with the Prime Minister’s plans to force businesses to appoint a ‘quota’ of women onto their boards.
Dr Hakim said: ‘Research evidence consistently shows that most husbands are the main bread winners in their family and that most mothers would prefer not to have competing demands of family work and paid jobs.
‘Mostly women like raising kids and mostly fathers are not that keen on doing it full-time. Social, structural and cultural forces are in place that mean if a man doesn’t have a full-time job he’ll have people looking down on him.’
But some experts disagree and instead claim financial constraints dictate that most women cannot afford the luxury of choosing, as Dr Hakim suggests, between work and raising their children.
Professor Jude Browne, director of Cambridge University’s Centre for Gender Studies, added: ‘For most families seeking to balance childcare and work there is no real choice unless you are very wealthy.
‘We do need more policy provision and it should be focused on, for example, adequately paid parental leave (as opposed to just maternity leave) and more affordable childcare.’
The feminist movement needs to focus on what the majority of women actually want not what they think they should want.
This message last edited by random thoughts on 11/01/2011 at 06:47:41 PM
Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears
11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM
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I think you're extrapolating a bit too much
11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM
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The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to
11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM
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I don't trust the figures.
11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM
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One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM*
12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM
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While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end.
11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM
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My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM
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Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM
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Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM
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It's not just that choice though.
11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM
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It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM*
11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM
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For you maybe.
11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM
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I agree. I would also like to add, if I may...
12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM
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all 25 of them?
12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM
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Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site.
12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM
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It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it.
12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM
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I have to admit that this bothers me.
11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM
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I guess you think the same of me then.
11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM
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Another one?
12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM
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Re: Another one?
12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM
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~never mind~ *NM* *NM*
12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM
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I'm going to answer you anyway.
12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM
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not to mention
12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM
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you don't want kids?
12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM
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bleck
12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM
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You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world
12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM
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Poor Aeryn
12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM
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I replied before she edited
12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM
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The primary issue...
12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM
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Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article.
13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM
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It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home.
12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM
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My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect
11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM
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I think all of that makes sense
11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM
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I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math.
12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM
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men have more physical strength period
12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM
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There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength.
12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM
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how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong
12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM
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How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference.
12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM
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your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics
12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM
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There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy.
12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM
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so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives?
12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM
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Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades.
13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM
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Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors
13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM
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Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women.
13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM
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not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are
13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM
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Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us.
13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM
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When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math
12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM
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Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former.
12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM
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I'm trying to understand your position
12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM
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Now you've got it.
12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM
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we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men
12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM
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What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive.
12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM
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There are theories but of course they are unprovable
12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM
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That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence.
13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM
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I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven
13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM
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here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology
13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM
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I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link.
13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM
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oops
13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM
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Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way.
13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM
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You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough
14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM
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I would also like to say this:
11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM
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Of course
12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM
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"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience.
12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM
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Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience.
12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM
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I'm glad YOU think it's fun...
13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM
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I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now...
13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM
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Re: I would also like to say this:
12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM
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Re: I would also like to say this:
12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM
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No
12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM
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Re: No
12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM
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Re: No
12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM
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Re: No
12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM
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Re: No
12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM
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Since this has become too complicated
12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM
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The two are used as different psychological concepts.
12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM
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Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office?
12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM
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what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them
*NM*
12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM
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Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful.
12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM
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I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot
12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM
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NOW is just a left-leaning PAC.
12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM
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I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing
12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM
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Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things
12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM
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I was refering to groups like NOW
12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM
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Gosh, look what you started.
12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM
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somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM*
12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM
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I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work.
12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM
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that part would be great
12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM
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I could do it every day.
13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM
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So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out?
15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM
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This sounds awful to me.
13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM
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I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering.
13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM
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