I agree with this. I'm interested in knowing what Helen's response is
Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 07/01/2011 11:55:23 PM
The rest of the arguments are either emotional arguments, straw men or irrelevant.
Kind of applies to rape too though, since the argument boils down to only two points, is it a human life? and does that human life if there supersede the woman's rights? If the answer to either is no then the rape is irrelevant except in her own judgement, no more or less moral than a decision to abort over bad timing or not liking the gender of the child. If the answer to those two was yes, then rape is still irrelevant since the fetus/kid is hardly responsible for their parentage and if it turned out that someone's dad had raped their mom we'd hardly say someone had the right to kill them now.
So I agree that most of the arguments people chuck out are emotion-driven or strawmen but I think you're ignoring that the same would apply for rape, and the only argument differentiating it from other cases would then be that the severe emotional trauma of the rape itself and carrying the fetus was a direct and severe risk to the life of either the mother or child. That strikes me as a real possibility, but obviously not for direct medical reasons and I would tend to think anyone who was in a state of emotional trauma so profound as to be at real health risk is not of sound mind at the time, and thus not able to make decisions.
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07/01/2011 06:47:47 PM
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Germany sucks
07/01/2011 07:52:13 PM
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lol, I don't think I've ever clicked on something as fast as I did that.
07/01/2011 11:27:50 PM
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Ok then.
07/01/2011 09:13:57 PM
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are you a woman? if not, fuck off. you have no uterus, you have no say. *NM*
07/01/2011 10:00:32 PM
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horse shit
07/01/2011 10:28:40 PM
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I cannot agree
08/01/2011 01:29:45 AM
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"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word.
14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM
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*Sigh* This is not what I wanted
07/01/2011 11:53:37 PM
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a debate based on morality is not rational. humans aren't actually rational creatures, you know.
08/01/2011 02:05:05 AM
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I wasn't aware women had a monopoly on dispassionate objective arguments.
08/01/2011 12:59:33 AM
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I wasn't aware they had the capacity for it *NM*
08/01/2011 02:45:54 AM
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Oh, I'm quite aware of and familiar with their capacity; hence my disappointment.
08/01/2011 03:01:41 AM
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It is true that the person with the uterus gets to make that decision.
08/01/2011 01:46:15 AM
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Your arguments pro choice are poor.
07/01/2011 10:59:43 PM
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Gotta disagree with your rape argument
07/01/2011 11:15:34 PM
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I agree with this. I'm interested in knowing what Helen's response is
07/01/2011 11:55:23 PM
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Re: Gotta disagree with your rape argument
08/01/2011 01:32:06 AM
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Discussion merits discourtesy apparently
08/01/2011 03:24:09 AM
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At the end I did say that it was not you but the idea. I guess I didn't phrase that well enough.
08/01/2011 06:42:40 AM
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If you belive a child is a child from conception then does the means of conception change that?
08/01/2011 04:52:34 PM
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Not an argument or even completely applicable to what you just said. Just another viewpoint.
09/01/2011 01:06:19 AM
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The right to wear perfume or generous portions of cologne in a the workplace or public areas
08/01/2011 01:24:04 AM
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