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But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM
It's at best an empty placeholder or hope for an explanation. Science at least provides a partial explanation of the unknown by describing the boundaries of what we know. If you say the soul is whatever human qualities haven't yet been discovered by science, then the soul theory is falsified every time a scientific discovery about humanity is made.

That said, you could say I believe in the "soul" as a good label for a collection of qualities that humans happen to possess. I just don't see any need (scientifically or theologically) for positing a spiritual substance to explain those qualities.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? Lordling - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 814 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* random thoughts - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 245 Views
No *NM* Insolitus - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 222 Views
not a chance *NM* clam - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 230 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 610 Views
On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM 551 Views
aaah but who says we can percieve all there is to percieve in relation to our persons? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 04:14:08 PM 510 Views
But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM 489 Views
i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 07:50:27 PM 547 Views
Re: i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" Burr - 14/09/2009 08:05:41 PM 545 Views
Carts and horses. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:10:22 PM 679 Views
No *NM* Monkey - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 225 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? jh - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 544 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? Lordling - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 524 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things Matrimony Cauthon - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 561 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 566 Views
No. *NM* Entophile - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 219 Views
define "spiritual'. Avendesora - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 496 Views
Rum. Craig - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 550 Views
YES! *NM* Elaine - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 253 Views
How are we not married? *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 227 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 209 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 231 Views
Timing *NM* Elaine - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 220 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* Craig - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 239 Views
Your Face. *NM* jh - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 220 Views
My Achilles face! Craig - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 446 Views
No *NM* Dragonsworn - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 212 Views
No *NM* Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 225 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* Stephen - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 210 Views
Substance? Great Lord of Chaos - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 507 Views
Yeah, boobs. Vodalus - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 493 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 537 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. jh - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 566 Views
Sorry. Joel - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 495 Views
Re: Sorry. Burr - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 466 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 526 Views
Nicely put. *NM* everynametaken - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 205 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 208 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 745 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose Sports_Gambler - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 482 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 616 Views
One little correction Isaac - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 625 Views
That makes it more complex, but I agree the same basic problem persists. Joel - 07/10/2009 12:11:07 PM 654 Views
Nay. Burr - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 482 Views
Re: Nay. Joel - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 538 Views
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