Hence my inclusion of Lucy as alternative (although, is Lucy actually in our line of descent, or just related?)
If you are going to place an extremely powerful weapon in someone's hands, you should either put in a good enough safety mechanism or accept the blame for what comes out of it. He didn't do the first....
And if the hands belong to a megalomaniacal idiot then you deserve even more blame
Maybe he should've ditched the monarchy and assumed power directly, but that isn't always popular Beyond the Sea. People have even staged revolutions to replace one monarch with yet another, raising the question of whether people who accept the monarchy as legal but nonetheless rebel fully grasp the meanings of "monarch", "rebel" and "legal. "
But, once again, you can't control whether your boss' son is an idiot. Hence we move from Adam to Adams; virtue isn't hereditary, but that can be a hard sell (even when the heir to the throne is Edward VIII without the charisma.
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Or Lucy, if you're not willing to go there. The setup didn't so much rely on having Bismarck or someone just like him (in fact, it seems pretty clear he intended the Kaiser to be self sufficient once the Iron Chancellors task was done) it just depended on whoever was in charge not being a megalomaniacal idiot. I believe the John Adams line is "When providing for our posterity we should always remember that virtue is not hereditary. " Hmmm, maybe objecting to how other governments are run should've waited till the Americans left. 

If you are going to place an extremely powerful weapon in someone's hands, you should either put in a good enough safety mechanism or accept the blame for what comes out of it. He didn't do the first....
And if the hands belong to a megalomaniacal idiot then you deserve even more blame

Maybe he should've ditched the monarchy and assumed power directly, but that isn't always popular Beyond the Sea. People have even staged revolutions to replace one monarch with yet another, raising the question of whether people who accept the monarchy as legal but nonetheless rebel fully grasp the meanings of "monarch", "rebel" and "legal. "


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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 14/10/2010 at 05:24:07 PM
The position of Prussia in Germany will not be determined by its liberalism but by its power
14/10/2010 09:24:57 AM
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Yes, and how'd that go for you
14/10/2010 10:14:19 AM
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Not that I wanna defend a militaristic and nationalistic post I don't agree with...
14/10/2010 10:37:11 AM
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That's really not fair.
14/10/2010 12:57:15 PM
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</taking things too seriously>
14/10/2010 01:01:12 PM
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He has good points, though. *NM*
14/10/2010 01:16:46 PM
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Just not a sense of humour or a knowledge of American geography
14/10/2010 02:16:27 PM
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I have a sense of humor!
14/10/2010 03:21:56 PM
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Pfft, you just have some knock of version, as the shoddy spelling shows.
14/10/2010 03:24:46 PM
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A sense of humor only helps if something is actually funny
*NM*
14/10/2010 08:14:25 PM
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You have to have a sense of humour ro know if something is funny *wins*
14/10/2010 09:54:12 PM
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Right, so his actions led to it
14/10/2010 02:29:08 PM
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By that logic it's Adams fault.
14/10/2010 03:12:22 PM
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Adams?
14/10/2010 03:28:30 PM
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The one married to Eve, not the one from wotmania.
14/10/2010 05:23:24 PM
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I was more confused if you meant "Adam's" or "Adams'", it was not at all clear
14/10/2010 07:18:25 PM
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Wow, that was really obnoxious.
*NM*
14/10/2010 02:07:19 PM
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Still bitter, heh? Typical kraut, just can't accept the result
14/10/2010 02:30:46 PM
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And/or I just find you annoying.
14/10/2010 06:10:05 PM
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Well
14/10/2010 07:29:23 PM
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SEIG HEIL! *NM*
14/10/2010 10:43:42 AM
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If only I got an Euro each time someone misspelled this crap *NM*
14/10/2010 10:58:22 AM
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SIEG HEIL! *NM*
14/10/2010 11:00:02 AM
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Also, wrong century. *NM*
14/10/2010 11:07:26 AM
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Yeah, well, that speech was given in 1863 and there was no Kaiser tell 1871 so go correct Otto *NM*
14/10/2010 11:09:44 AM
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At least spell his name correctly if you're going to quote him.
14/10/2010 11:39:33 AM
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I didn't even notice (s)he'd not spelt it with the "c" *NM*
14/10/2010 11:42:53 AM
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STOP IMPERSONATING MY HUBBY!!!!
14/10/2010 01:25:29 PM
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Wait, that wasn't you?
*NM*
14/10/2010 01:36:21 PM
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She spelled the name correctly, with the "c".
*NM*
14/10/2010 01:51:19 PM
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I assumed that was a double bluff! *NM*
14/10/2010 02:16:37 PM
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You should've known better: she's way to fastidious about her Germans to do so even in jest. lol *NM*
14/10/2010 03:42:11 PM
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