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And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM
them to judge other people.

Christianity comes in all kinds of flavors.

And we all hold opinions that are kernels of extremist thought, just not all of us extrapolate.

To an extent that's a fault in the leadership, and in one branch of Christianity I think much of it goes back a generation, maybe two, to a time when the hierarchy realized seminaries were producing priests whose understanding of doctrine was inversely proportional to their confidence in it. Rather than addressing that head on they chose to reorder the seminaries to produce priests with unshakable belief in official doctrine--even though that required them to be largely ignorant of said doctrine since they'd ignored the deeper problem. Ultimately though the onus is on the laity to read their bibles, pray and work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Unfortunately, many do such a poor job of this that it's possible for a man to state that last quote as "work out your kingdom with fear and trembling" and get away with making it part of a whole new religion.

So, yeah, he's not wrong, but you're definitely right. We're all sinners according to Christian doctrine, so no one can claim any superiority there: I came up short just like everyone else. However, just as there was no way to know at birth that I'd come to Christ and let Him bear my guilt there's no way of knowing that about anyone else, and it would be INCREDIBLY presumptuous of me to assume they're just hopeless doomed sinners. I'm certainly grateful a whole lot of people (starting with the Son of God Who died for me, in obedience to my Father) didn't do that to me.
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1181 Views
I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 714 Views
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That is not what I think requires thought - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 658 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 787 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 678 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 341 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 697 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 688 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 682 Views
He was very frank but completely founded - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 751 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 775 Views
I'm not sure that is true - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 659 Views
I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 740 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 573 Views
Yes and no - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 835 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 303 Views
I would think... - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 731 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 767 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 302 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 711 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 682 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 742 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 750 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 736 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 767 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 777 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 636 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 761 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 741 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 779 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 784 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 685 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 705 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 696 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 679 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 768 Views
I mostly agree - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 834 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 647 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 709 Views
Interesting - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 999 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 594 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 282 Views
Okay my response now - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 734 Views
He becomes what he hates. - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 861 Views
Good stuff. *NM* - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 304 Views
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 818 Views
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 662 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 778 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 691 Views
I don't think there is any question... - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 713 Views
If I may quibble: - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 540 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 709 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 761 Views
He's bullying Christians - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 694 Views
I agree - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 791 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 895 Views

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