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I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM
That it's understandable makes it no more excusable. The point made in the first letter is a valid one; I happen to be a Christian who believes gay marriage (in the sacramental sense, anyway) but I'm not out holding up signs stating what God hates or demanding Constitutional revisions. If the same is true of the person who wrote in, then most of the vitriol Savage expends in response is undeserved and misapplied. Fact is, I don't know--and neither does Savage, but that didn't slow him down one little bit.

Mainly, I think, because of the line of thinking he expresses in saying he's not sorry if the persons feelings were hurt because gay kids are dying. The two aren't necessarily related, except in Savages mind, where it's pretty clear that schoolyard teasing about homosexuality is a MUCH greater infraction than publicly condemning an entire religion in print.

I try, with mixed success, to encourage love and tolerance for everyone, especially those with whom I disagree, and holding me accountable for what Fred Phelps does is about as fair as me holding all gays accountable for what Jeffrey Dahmer did. I don't accept that kind of behavior, I do speak out against it when I see it (as a behavior, not a person) and I'm not going to apologize for the fact I don't abduct and restrain people who preach intolerance in the name of God. Meanwhile, it's hard to have a conversation about respect and tolerance with someone who refers to my Lord and Savior, Who died for me despite my sins, as my "magic sky friend. "
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1182 Views
I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 715 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 654 Views
That is not what I think requires thought - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 658 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 789 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 679 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 341 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 699 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 689 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 683 Views
He was very frank but completely founded - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 751 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 776 Views
I'm not sure that is true - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 661 Views
I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 742 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 574 Views
Yes and no - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 835 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 303 Views
I would think... - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 732 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 768 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 302 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 711 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 682 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 742 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 750 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 736 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 767 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 778 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 636 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 762 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 742 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 780 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 786 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 686 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 706 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 697 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 679 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 769 Views
I mostly agree - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 836 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 647 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 709 Views
Interesting - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1001 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 596 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 282 Views
Okay my response now - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 735 Views
He becomes what he hates. - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 861 Views
Good stuff. *NM* - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 304 Views
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 818 Views
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 663 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 778 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 693 Views
I don't think there is any question... - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 714 Views
If I may quibble: - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 541 Views
He's bullying Christians - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 694 Views
I agree - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 791 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 664 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 896 Views

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