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Good question John Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM
And by the way, I think this one of the most interesting posts I've seen in a while.

Ultimately, some of the financial loss I've handed to the bank is being taken care of by taxes I've paid. So, between that and the fact that I did try to work with them I think any moral obligation to them is over. Even if that weren't the case, I still might have done it. Their policies are the reason my house was so expensive in the first place, and then lost so much value. They made all kinds of money during the housing boom, so it's only fair if they take some of the loss.

I would feel like I let my neighbors down, but my foreclosure didn't drop their property values at all. The banks here in Bakersfield are already holding so much inventory that the market will stay stable as long as they only sell it off bit by bit, which they have been. My foreclosure will only make the recovery in my city take a tiny bit longer. So really, not much of a moral obligation there either.

I think it was just hard to put it in the right perspective while the process was happenning. Thus the lost sleep.
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do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 864 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 778 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 813 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 762 Views
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nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 779 Views
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well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 980 Views
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Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 931 Views
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that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 770 Views
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in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 847 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 872 Views
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will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 975 Views
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Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 389 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 853 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 767 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 788 Views
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Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1321 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 825 Views
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OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 839 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 858 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 812 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 771 Views
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are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 829 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 787 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 848 Views
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You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 781 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 870 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 430 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 505 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 355 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 373 Views
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Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 855 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 801 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 900 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1141 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 377 Views

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