That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things
ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM
Because most bullies do so because the object of their harassment is violating scripture. In fact some of the people who bullied me as a child carried around bibles with them to point out the specific passages I was violating by being shy and having poor fashion sense. I'm sure their parents spent a lot of time at the dinner table every night telling them why they should hate shy people for being subhuman, and their preachers shouted it from the pulpit ever Sunday. Damn Christians and their making people like me into subjects of daily mockery and harassment.
Oh wait, I was bullied because I was different and thus seemed weird to other kids. You know, kinda like how gay kids are different, both in their nature (who they are attracted to) and in their behavior (in some cases). Thus, they have big targets hung on them for bullies. Just like kids like me did, or kids with big ears that stick out, or fat kids or any number of other kids.
Kids are a tough crowd. Even if a preacher or their parents don't tell them something is bad, heck, even if said preacher/parents tell them that such a thing is NOT bad and to be nice, most of the time they'll sniff it out anyway and mock it as they see fit. Kids can be nasty shits.
But no, being against a particular legal issue means that you see gays as subhumans, which means that you will pass those beliefs onto your kids and turn them into little klansmen, which means that your kids will become merciless bullies, which means that they will drive gay kids to kill themselves. If you are against gay marriage, you are causing the deaths of gay kids. Fact.
Sound like the kind of argument that, if used by the other side, would have people shouting "Slippery Slope Fallacy," and dismissing it immediatelly.
Oh wait, I was bullied because I was different and thus seemed weird to other kids. You know, kinda like how gay kids are different, both in their nature (who they are attracted to) and in their behavior (in some cases). Thus, they have big targets hung on them for bullies. Just like kids like me did, or kids with big ears that stick out, or fat kids or any number of other kids.
Kids are a tough crowd. Even if a preacher or their parents don't tell them something is bad, heck, even if said preacher/parents tell them that such a thing is NOT bad and to be nice, most of the time they'll sniff it out anyway and mock it as they see fit. Kids can be nasty shits.
But no, being against a particular legal issue means that you see gays as subhumans, which means that you will pass those beliefs onto your kids and turn them into little klansmen, which means that your kids will become merciless bullies, which means that they will drive gay kids to kill themselves. If you are against gay marriage, you are causing the deaths of gay kids. Fact.
Sound like the kind of argument that, if used by the other side, would have people shouting "Slippery Slope Fallacy," and dismissing it immediatelly.
Love the Sinner
13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM
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I have to think about that for a while.
13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM
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Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations
13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM
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That is not what I think requires thought
13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM
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Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey
13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM
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ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM*
13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM
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I don't think it's the belief's themselves
14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM
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The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned
14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM
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Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian)
13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM
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I'm not sure that is true
13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM
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When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else?
13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM
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That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though
13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM
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I think you are missing his point
13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM
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Question (and this one actually is asking for information )...
13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM
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I have seen gays be bullied before
13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM
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You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM*
13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM
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why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said?
13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM
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I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote
13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM
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you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you
13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM
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I think there's truth in this as well.
13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM
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churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it
14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM
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Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level
14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM
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Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level
14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM
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Do you know greek or hebrew?
14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM
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I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you?
14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM
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There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. )
15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM
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You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point
13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM
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so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying?
13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM
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Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit.
14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM
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I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view
13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM
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That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things
13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM
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I mostly agree
13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM
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most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance
14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM
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Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm
13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM
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Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay.
13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM
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It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token
13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM
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If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM*
13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
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Interesting
13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM
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His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense.
14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM
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Re:
14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker.
14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM
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14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism.
15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM
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I don't think there is any question...
14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM
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A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to
14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM
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I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there.
14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM
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