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It often seems to devolve into semantics. Joel Send a noteboard - 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM
Remember when I used to say Libs would get rid of the fire department if they could fit an engine in their garage? Remember when that was hyperbole?


Now some real anarchists call themselves libertarians, for anarchist is a dirty word, but the difference between libertarians and anarchists is that libertarians believe in some basic social services. You can't get more basic than the fire department

With "basic social services" frequently being defined as "the ones I can't provide for myself. " That's from the outside looking in, but sometimes I really do get the impression that most Libertarians would disband the military if they could afford their own aircraft carrier. Accepting that they can't and acting accordingly isn't exactly a principled stand for freedom, y'know?
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firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee moondog - 06/10/2010 02:35:20 AM 2195 Views
what kind of bullshit is that? Aisha - 06/10/2010 03:19:12 AM 1215 Views
And that brings up another point. What if there had been someone in there? Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:03:49 AM 1210 Views
as i said before, they probably would have just rescued them then let the house burn. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:11:24 AM 1198 Views
Why are you trivializing those "precious resources?" Aemon - 06/10/2010 04:56:13 AM 1297 Views
except we aren't talking about "people" or a "business" LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:03:18 AM 1276 Views
It's slightly different. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:20:55 AM 1105 Views
I'm not against the fee. The fee makes sense. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:24:39 AM 1258 Views
How does the fee makes sense? Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:27:30 AM 1181 Views
they were at the scene to put out the portion of the fire that spread to the neighbors. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:28:35 AM 1211 Views
I completely agree with Aeryn. Her points in this discussion have been thought out and well put. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:25:47 AM 592 Views
We ARE talking about a business. Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:33:40 AM 1058 Views
actually, that's exactly what happens to hospitals. they shut down. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:36:28 AM 1156 Views
i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:36:52 AM 1083 Views
Re: i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:42:00 AM 1116 Views
if a doctor refuses to aid a dying patient, he'll lose his license, for one. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:48:18 AM 1271 Views
Re: Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 1112 Views
YES!!! Thank you!! LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:06:29 AM 1023 Views
that's how hospitals get shut down. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:43:13 AM 1119 Views
In this case, the hard line of letting people suffer the logical consequences is the moral thing Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:53:51 AM 1084 Views
I presume you meant to reply to me LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:05:18 AM 1056 Views
I didn't know that there had been a first time. That makes their "forgetting" even more disgusting. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 06:15:11 AM 1043 Views
and it makes the fire department inconsistent, setting false expectations. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:18:39 AM 1144 Views
This is why goverment must be tolerated *NM* Roland00 - 06/10/2010 03:30:52 AM 538 Views
Not trying to be a troll, but this seems (mostly) reasonable. Aemon - 06/10/2010 03:44:53 AM 1289 Views
on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 03:58:27 AM 1176 Views
So that tool who didn't want to pay his fee most likely because he never thought he would need to... callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:25:12 PM 1193 Views
in rural areas, not typically, no. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:36:18 PM 1008 Views
Re: on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? Bored - 06/10/2010 06:33:57 PM 1544 Views
at that point, you're right, they may not have been able to save the animals LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:38:45 PM 1074 Views
the owner says he called after using a garden hose was unsuccessful to put the fire out moondog - 07/10/2010 03:08:03 AM 1094 Views
And running the govt this way is stupid for it leads to worse results, it is no better than SoN Roland00 - 06/10/2010 04:02:02 AM 1108 Views
You are a post ninja. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:02:51 AM 416 Views
It makes sense from a business standpoint. But that's precisely why we socialize these things. Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:02:25 AM 1374 Views
as an additional thought.... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:09:57 AM 1025 Views
Apparently being poor wasn't a problem as he offered to pay whatever it takes. He gambled and lost. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:11:40 AM 563 Views
you shouldn't have to be gambling on whether a public service will be given. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:20:40 AM 1046 Views
No, the rural county's position is ridiculous. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:21:27 AM 1126 Views
their position is ridiculous too. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:22:33 AM 1093 Views
You liberals and your Big Brother. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:09:15 AM 1018 Views
That's abominable. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:03:18 AM 1157 Views
Re: That's abominable. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:33:33 PM 1105 Views
I've been trying to figure out what I think for a few hours now. nossy - 06/10/2010 04:24:35 AM 1089 Views
It wasn't bureacracy, it was his CHOICE. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 04:30:22 AM 1114 Views
I believe the specific reason was "forgot". That's different. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:47:38 AM 1148 Views
Why the double quotes then? Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:11:37 AM 1130 Views
doesn't sound like he intentionally didn't pay it with what you said. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:18:26 AM 1061 Views
The setup itself is wrong. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:25:13 AM 1034 Views
you can't buy insurance after the fact... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:27:40 AM 989 Views
Yes, they should have a new policy that accounts for this brouhaha situation. Vivien - 13/12/2011 06:21:30 PM 1029 Views
Other than anarchists (read: idiots), who seriously argues against socialized police/firefighting? *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 05:20:39 AM 504 Views
Apparently the idiots that set it up so that the rural people were not covered by a fire department. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:37:31 AM 529 Views
We just found one: Aemon. *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:37:46 AM 515 Views
Meh. Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:47:40 AM 1000 Views
why? *points up* *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:51:06 AM 507 Views
How far up? Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM* Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM 559 Views
she is referring to the house burning down because someone did not pay a fee. *NM* LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 526 Views
Yes. I was answering your question of "why" - this news story is the why. *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 06:00:56 AM 494 Views
Oh, I see. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:05:52 AM 1072 Views
Fires don't just happen because people set them up themselves Floffe - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1191 Views
We have a government do these things for Market Failures exist. *NM* Roland00 - 06/10/2010 12:46:25 PM 554 Views
When one is poor, things like that become less of a "choice." nossy - 06/10/2010 12:47:08 PM 1044 Views
*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1149 Views
and why was it so impossible for him to pay late or pay extra? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:26:39 AM 1170 Views
Because the fire departments costs have to be paid continually. They need the steady income Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:33:34 AM 1080 Views
Re: Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:47:35 AM 1199 Views
Why not? Isn't that what freedom is about? Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:58:24 AM 1073 Views
I'm not free to die. I'm not even free to smoke weed. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 06:07:17 AM 1118 Views
Practicality is indeed the answer. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:32:24 AM 1118 Views
your model is impractical though moondog - 06/10/2010 08:46:19 AM 1097 Views
Okay. I'm going to phrase this more explicately with a handy dandy vet comparison LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:32:45 AM 1213 Views
because then no one would pay until their house burned. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:34:52 AM 1068 Views
if this was a less severe fire, I would agree with both you and Tash entirely. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:40:51 AM 989 Views
Risk to other properties is not a good argument. They DID come out to prevent that. *NM* Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:54:19 AM 589 Views
that is not prevention, that is treatment. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:56:16 AM 1097 Views
Re: that is not prevention, that is treatment. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:00:44 AM 1022 Views
they may be better at doing the actual fire fighting... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:14:18 AM 1049 Views
Speaking of prevention why were they letting their grandson burn trash? They were endangering Tashmere - 06/10/2010 06:02:12 AM 1122 Views
it's very popular in the country to burn your trash instead of hauling it to a dump moondog - 06/10/2010 08:51:55 AM 1143 Views
Surely they know to prepare the area around the burn area by clearing away anything that might catch Tashmere - 06/10/2010 02:51:38 PM 949 Views
One would assume so and that they did snoopcester - 06/10/2010 03:01:50 PM 1101 Views
i'm sure they told the wind not to blow in that area for a couple days too... moondog - 06/10/2010 04:12:03 PM 1132 Views
Even when you are camping you are supposed to clear the area within twenty feet of the fire of Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:24:21 PM 1004 Views
all it takes is one piece of bad luck and "FOOSH" you're engulfed in flames moondog - 07/10/2010 04:11:49 PM 854 Views
Especially if you leave the fire to go take a shower. Tashmere - 08/10/2010 12:17:57 PM 1128 Views
That is what you do in the country Roland00 - 06/10/2010 01:16:04 PM 1028 Views
The problem is... ironclad - 06/10/2010 09:11:59 AM 1096 Views
Re: The problem is... nossy - 06/10/2010 12:40:05 PM 1131 Views
Re: The problem is... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:27:30 PM 1180 Views
Re: The problem is... nossy - 06/10/2010 04:13:43 PM 1127 Views
Re: The problem is... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 04:23:49 PM 1149 Views
I just read that too. It does change my attitude. If he had always paid before and truly did forget Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:27:56 PM 1024 Views
I've been wondering how old he is too. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:30:20 PM 974 Views
Also they had been out of town. It was actually easy to see how it could have been overlooked. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:33:04 PM 1102 Views
Well it is something we don't know, though we have the family saying it snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:05:19 PM 1173 Views
You are making an assumption that isn't proven by the evidence you use there snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1021 Views
You are right. I did open my mouth before hearing both sides of the story. This information does Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:30:23 PM 1132 Views
it's okay that's what the internet is good for, mindless rage ranting LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:32:33 PM 959 Views
No. It isn't okay. I despise it when other people do that. It is worse when I catch myself doing it. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:45:03 PM 1009 Views
Actually nossy - 07/10/2010 02:03:52 AM 1087 Views
seriously. We chatted on facebook, tashy. you were MOST reasonable. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:12:38 AM 970 Views
What I was doing was repeating what others had said as fact rather than checking out the sources. Tashmere - 07/10/2010 02:56:21 AM 932 Views
i like my idea below of the city setting up an automatic-payment system for subscribers. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 03:02:36 AM 1130 Views
Well we do all do it snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:06:10 PM 1097 Views
The is a problem wirth that argument random thoughts - 06/10/2010 02:55:28 PM 1042 Views
Erm Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 04:46:17 PM 1154 Views
that is true random thoughts - 06/10/2010 05:19:24 PM 1057 Views
And another thing. Many rural areas choose to have volunteer fire departments. This is an option. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:41:20 AM 1153 Views
And people wonder why I'm not a Libertarian. Joel - 06/10/2010 06:03:55 AM 1099 Views
from the onion.... moondog - 06/10/2010 08:53:36 AM 1012 Views
They're next after the lawyers, right? Joel - 06/10/2010 09:41:34 AM 1013 Views
Yeah, that's why I always use the 'pragmatic libertarian' descriptor Isaac - 06/10/2010 09:54:48 AM 1087 Views
That I can respect and understand. Joel - 06/10/2010 10:08:19 AM 1083 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. Isaac - 06/10/2010 10:37:16 AM 1020 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. Joel - 06/10/2010 11:19:26 AM 1017 Views
What you are describing is an anarchist Roland00 - 06/10/2010 12:37:05 PM 1211 Views
It often seems to devolve into semantics. Joel - 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM 1187 Views
Sigh I feel like I am arguing with the devil Roland00 - 06/10/2010 01:12:49 PM 1110 Views
Only my impression, as an outsider. Joel - 06/10/2010 01:29:56 PM 1123 Views
This is not a "libertarian" fire department... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:14:03 PM 1032 Views
Libertarian/=non-government. Joel - 06/10/2010 02:16:10 PM 1049 Views
I think you mean not equal to... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:28:30 PM 1264 Views
In a way the article does speak to that, just not in the way I first thought. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:06:20 AM 1022 Views
please use != or <> or =/= not your crazy invented symbolism moondog - 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM 964 Views
I didn't invent it. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:15:23 AM 1079 Views
Or you could use the correct sign &ne; since RAFO does unicode properly Floffe - 07/10/2010 09:51:39 AM 1043 Views
You're right; I keep forgetting that, sorry. Joel - 07/10/2010 12:57:36 PM 967 Views
come on, you didn't learn anything from compsci in high school?? moondog - 07/10/2010 04:09:48 PM 1033 Views
Which one does Turbo Pascal use? Joel - 07/10/2010 04:14:50 PM 1159 Views
Turbo Pascal is about as dead as Fortran at this point Wulf`gar - 07/10/2010 04:32:01 PM 978 Views
My mom still has Fortran manuals. And COBOL. Joel - 08/10/2010 12:02:21 PM 896 Views
A quick search shows Pascal using <> Wulf`gar - 08/10/2010 03:15:47 PM 1106 Views
Huh, missed that. Joel - 08/10/2010 03:18:40 PM 886 Views
Not relevant to how it acted in this case though *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:23:06 PM 487 Views
I see no issue with it... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:26:46 PM 1131 Views
I'm not sure if you meant this as a reply to me? *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:32:39 PM 595 Views
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:57:37 PM 1076 Views
Oh that is easy. snoopcester - 06/10/2010 03:04:04 PM 1171 Views
This better conveys what I was trying to say--this is a government problem Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 06:27:03 PM 1055 Views
I still don't agree snoopcester - 06/10/2010 07:16:19 PM 1053 Views
If it were really a market-based decision... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 08:00:29 PM 1159 Views
Re: If it were really a market-based decision... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 08:35:55 PM 1011 Views
Refer hence. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:39:42 AM 1114 Views
You are living in the past snoopcester - 07/10/2010 02:10:06 PM 1006 Views
County government tends to be VERY limited over here. Joel - 07/10/2010 03:16:45 PM 1132 Views
I was expecting SELMA Hayek next to a burning house. Perhaps in a sheer dress, backlit. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:35:38 AM 1075 Views
The argument against privately run fire departments is kind of sad BlackAdder - 06/10/2010 08:24:26 PM 1187 Views
if anything, it's in a businesses FAVOR to show up to unsubsribed houses, depending on their policy. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:24:13 PM 1088 Views
Makes you wonder why people have insurance at all when it's cheaper to pay as you go. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:46:57 AM 1120 Views
This a situation where you know there has to be a better way random thoughts - 06/10/2010 02:59:12 PM 1095 Views
Good luck with that. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:03:05 AM 1077 Views
some things should be done by the state and some by private organizations random thoughts - 07/10/2010 02:38:01 PM 1140 Views
Does the state have authority to allocate county tax dollars? Joel - 07/10/2010 04:03:25 PM 1066 Views
you have spent enough time in East Texas that you should know better than that random thoughts - 07/10/2010 04:26:26 PM 1132 Views
In passing I'd like to note that this is a bizarre role reversal. Joel - 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM 1073 Views
I am not against government just bad government *NM* random thoughts - 08/10/2010 02:38:26 PM 486 Views
I'll drink to that. Joel - 08/10/2010 02:42:12 PM 1042 Views
if it wasn't I might be a democrat *NM* random thoughts - 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM 475 Views
Being a Democrat's SUPPOSED to mean you roll your sleeves up and fix it. Joel - 10/10/2010 03:06:24 AM 1084 Views
Sounds like a sound decision to me. Fuck 'em. Burning trash? Idiots. *NM* callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:16:53 PM 516 Views
I love when people demonstrate their ignorance while calling other people stupid random thoughts - 06/10/2010 04:37:52 PM 1116 Views
But really Amys - 07/10/2010 12:19:38 AM 1165 Views
that depends on how rural an area we are talking about random thoughts - 07/10/2010 01:48:03 AM 1046 Views
Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 01:18:15 AM 1103 Views
Re: Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. callandor1000 - 07/10/2010 01:31:51 PM 1079 Views
and you were in MAINE. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:28:32 PM 1059 Views
and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? random thoughts - 07/10/2010 02:41:09 PM 1027 Views
Re: and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? callandor1000 - 09/10/2010 06:35:29 AM 1042 Views
Looks like it may be the law in Tennessee as well. Tashmere - 09/10/2010 12:17:52 PM 1086 Views
I think something is being missed here by many. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:39:12 PM 1237 Views
Which is exactly why this whole contract / mayor / business talk is probably correct but insane ironclad - 06/10/2010 04:00:44 PM 985 Views
I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:50:11 PM 1024 Views
I sort of did random thoughts - 06/10/2010 05:27:53 PM 1045 Views
I do agree with you LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:48:22 PM 1094 Views
Re: I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 06:26:54 PM 1064 Views
*sigh* no but this is not INSURANCE. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:42:05 PM 1095 Views
I'm betting no one will "forget" the fee anytime soon. Gher - 06/10/2010 04:57:38 PM 1167 Views
there can be less disasterous incentives to pay the fee. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:50:01 PM 1167 Views
And what consequence(s) can/do you enforce if the after-the-fact fee isn't paid? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 05:55:38 PM 523 Views
Triple the fee. Francie - 06/10/2010 06:16:03 PM 1053 Views
Tripling the premium fee is definitely not enough. I would think in terms of tripling the cost. Vivien - 13/12/2011 06:27:56 PM 1368 Views
Put the fire back in their house *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 06:27:43 PM 538 Views
i'm assuming that a provision like this would be written into the policy. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:43:10 PM 1048 Views
So the house continues to burn while you are explaining this contract to the homeowner Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 08:08:00 PM 1069 Views
No, i mean in the original policy, not in something later signed. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:20:46 PM 1125 Views
For starters, put a lien on their home; governments routinely do that with unpaid fees. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:15:21 AM 1124 Views
The whole program is an incentive. Gher - 06/10/2010 07:13:45 PM 995 Views
and by becoming a fireman, you accept an ethical obligation. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:45:47 PM 1082 Views
I'm not saying I like it. Gher - 07/10/2010 04:15:52 AM 1012 Views
*gigles* you said incentive... oh, you mean the pun wasn't intended? *NM* Helene - 09/12/2011 07:02:44 AM 502 Views
I haven't had my coffee yet. Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 01:23:46 PM 936 Views
It was a bit of a stretch, "incentive" is related etymology-wise with "to kindle" (incendere) *NM* Helene - 09/12/2011 04:36:02 PM 497 Views
Ah, I thought of "incendiary" and wondered if that was the case (that those words were related). Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 05:13:13 PM 934 Views
Re: firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee Macharius - 06/10/2010 06:05:45 PM 1184 Views
This. Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 08:27:54 PM 1191 Views
do we know exactly when the county stopped servicing them? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:23:06 PM 1336 Views
They didn't have any service at all before twenty years ago. Then the city fire department offered Tashmere - 06/10/2010 11:05:37 PM 1003 Views
as a former firefighter, here's my opinion about this: Master Qui_John - 06/10/2010 07:09:15 PM 1232 Views
I am guessing they were told not to do it again. nossy - 06/10/2010 07:19:38 PM 1054 Views
bureaucracy ... Master Qui_John - 07/10/2010 09:08:25 AM 1111 Views
Re: bureaucracy ... nossy - 07/10/2010 11:46:12 AM 1255 Views
Now, John, your opinion as a professional firefighter is irrelevant here. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:47:41 PM 1119 Views
You FORGOT the MOST IMPORTANT part: Joel - 07/10/2010 10:10:17 AM 1092 Views
Outrageous. *NM* Legolas - 06/10/2010 07:11:43 PM 513 Views
That's shocking, to be honest BlackAdder - 06/10/2010 08:05:48 PM 1043 Views
My first question Amys - 06/10/2010 11:53:41 PM 1157 Views
I agree with some of what you said random thoughts - 07/10/2010 01:54:36 AM 1012 Views
*raises hand* speaking as someone who's participated in controlled prairie burning... LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:10:56 AM 1147 Views
I have seen uncontrolled prairie burning random thoughts - 07/10/2010 04:51:49 AM 1073 Views
Why would the animals be in the house if 911 was called before the fire ever reached the house? Tashmere - 07/10/2010 12:17:47 AM 1104 Views
That whole thing does seem strange to me as well snoopcester - 07/10/2010 02:51:02 PM 1206 Views
The reports also seem to contradict one another? Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2010 02:55:59 PM 1083 Views
Yes, I noticed that snoopcester - 07/10/2010 03:21:43 PM 1086 Views
I can't believe the stupidity being spewed in this post. The solution is readily clear. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 01:32:01 AM 1257 Views
AMEN Aisha - 07/10/2010 03:16:41 AM 1270 Views
From details others have revealed, it's really not that simple. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:24:39 AM 1190 Views
Bullshit. It is that simple. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 10:59:34 AM 1107 Views
Ultimately, yes, but it would almost certainly end with a lien and lawsuit with this joker. Joel - 07/10/2010 01:53:20 PM 1050 Views
nonsense. by waiting, they created more costs for everyone. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:32:36 PM 1077 Views
How so? They had to come put out one fire, period. Joel - 07/10/2010 03:21:51 PM 1018 Views
because if they had come out when he intially called, or even soon thereafter... LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 09:07:21 PM 1146 Views
and that's not to mention the inevitable lawsuits this particular episode is going to spawn... *NM* moondog - 08/10/2010 04:52:44 AM 492 Views
Yes, they could've spared him a great deal of grief if they gave him free service. Joel - 08/10/2010 12:16:07 PM 1025 Views
Sounds like a bad system ßelals Girl - 07/10/2010 01:38:52 AM 1021 Views
Is it in bad taste to note that this thread is on fire...? Joel - 07/10/2010 12:58:48 PM 1102 Views
looks like i started.... a FIRESTORM! moondog - 07/10/2010 04:13:51 PM 1132 Views
http://bash.org/?349567 Joel - 07/10/2010 04:29:53 PM 1119 Views
It took about two hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to the house? How did they not get Tashmere - 09/10/2010 12:49:26 AM 1000 Views
Apparently, this has happened again Sareitha Sedai - 07/12/2011 09:05:20 PM 929 Views
Funny, I was thinking of this thread when I read that this morning too *NM* Isaac - 07/12/2011 09:24:47 PM 479 Views
What I was thinking was "Joel... " *NM* TaskmasterJack - 08/12/2011 02:13:35 AM 503 Views
That too... *NM* Isaac - 08/12/2011 02:15:04 AM 495 Views
Honestly, those people sound like idiots. callandor1000 - 09/12/2011 03:11:27 AM 974 Views
They do. Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 01:25:49 PM 1039 Views
Or... everynametaken - 11/12/2011 05:10:19 AM 966 Views
Re: Or... callandor1000 - 13/12/2011 02:31:16 AM 972 Views
You are all crazy posting in this old thread! everynametaken - 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM 1104 Views
Maybe Sareitha Sedai - 12/12/2011 12:27:33 AM 986 Views
Re: Maybe callandor1000 - 13/12/2011 02:33:42 AM 1108 Views
I'm not sure they are being consistent though. Sareitha Sedai - 13/12/2011 06:33:23 PM 848 Views
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