"Some reports indicate that stones were thrown at police from the crowd of protesters. "
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/10/2010 03:38:19 PM
I wasn't there, but if that didn't happen it shouldn't be in the article, which also captions one of its photos "Demonstrators were prepared for water cannon. " That COULD be meant to indicate they just happened to have some protection because it was rainy, but that's not mentioned in the article, and in the context of what IS mentioned (water cannon fired at protesters) the implication is that, first time or not, the crowd expected their use was at least very likely. I mean, why buy vehicles with water cannon you'll never use?
Based on the article it's very hard to say if the cannon were justified, though the way I read the article they were expected, justified or not. Which makes what happened to the children even more inexcusable; it should take more than 3:1 odds for pre-teens to overrun armed police in vehicles, so you shouldn't need water cannon to prevent it. However, the minister who cited parental responsibility also has a point; whether the parents brought them or they arrived on their own they had no business being there since it seems something like this wasn't unexpected. They're kids. That they might choose to attend a potentially dangerous protest (which, ultimately, is all of them, because it only takes one agent provocateur to provide an excuse to bust heads) is an excellent example of why they have parents to say they can't. Of course, it's quite possible at least some parents didn't know their kids were there. However, if parents don't know where their 10 year olds are, that's not really the governments fault, though obviously any violent government action against children very much is.
Very sad, and the government, by all appearances, very much overreacted. The parents, however, still share some of the blame. If the kids had been caught in a drive by at a crack house I'd feel the same way: The bulk of the blame lies with those who injured them, but their parents bear some of it for not keeping a close enough eye on their kids that they don't end up in that situation to begin.
Based on the article it's very hard to say if the cannon were justified, though the way I read the article they were expected, justified or not. Which makes what happened to the children even more inexcusable; it should take more than 3:1 odds for pre-teens to overrun armed police in vehicles, so you shouldn't need water cannon to prevent it. However, the minister who cited parental responsibility also has a point; whether the parents brought them or they arrived on their own they had no business being there since it seems something like this wasn't unexpected. They're kids. That they might choose to attend a potentially dangerous protest (which, ultimately, is all of them, because it only takes one agent provocateur to provide an excuse to bust heads) is an excellent example of why they have parents to say they can't. Of course, it's quite possible at least some parents didn't know their kids were there. However, if parents don't know where their 10 year olds are, that's not really the governments fault, though obviously any violent government action against children very much is.
Very sad, and the government, by all appearances, very much overreacted. The parents, however, still share some of the blame. If the kids had been caught in a drive by at a crack house I'd feel the same way: The bulk of the blame lies with those who injured them, but their parents bear some of it for not keeping a close enough eye on their kids that they don't end up in that situation to begin.
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01/10/2010 03:32:58 PM
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the parents should be ashamed for bringing their kids there
01/10/2010 06:11:04 PM
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er... I thought you missed some vital points (or I forgot to mention them)
02/10/2010 12:53:20 AM
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know I just noticed point in your article you over looked
02/10/2010 04:27:47 AM
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to kind of agree with you.
02/10/2010 07:34:12 AM
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the article was wrong on both points
02/10/2010 10:16:46 AM
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That's irrelevant.
02/10/2010 10:59:35 AM
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Re: That's irrelevant.
02/10/2010 11:43:43 AM
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Youths can organise themselves; we're talking about children.
02/10/2010 01:11:01 PM
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Re: Youths can organise themselves; we're talking about children.
02/10/2010 02:40:46 PM
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I went to lots of demonstrations when I was a kid
02/10/2010 10:23:04 AM
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. . . as a child? *NM*
02/10/2010 10:46:52 AM
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I think I was 12 on my first one.
02/10/2010 10:49:33 AM
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You're gonna have to share this story.
02/10/2010 11:00:58 AM
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I was a political kid!
02/10/2010 11:03:36 AM
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Well, your freaky childhood behaviour aside. . .
02/10/2010 11:08:36 AM
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Re: Well, your freaky childhood behaviour aside. . .
02/10/2010 11:10:21 AM
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Yeah, I guess it really depends on how they ended up there. . . *NM*
02/10/2010 11:14:10 AM
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Or they didn't have good reason to expect voilence. Which would seem more likely here. *NM*
02/10/2010 01:14:41 AM
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It would not take a genius to know there would probably be violence.
02/10/2010 04:38:52 AM
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Re: It would not take a genius to know there would probably be violence.
02/10/2010 10:26:40 AM
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I read this about it
02/10/2010 01:18:16 AM
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"Some reports indicate that stones were thrown at police from the crowd of protesters. "
03/10/2010 03:38:19 PM
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