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"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh? Joel Send a noteboard - 11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM
You're not 12, huh? Then act like an adult and own your choices. No one here owes you dental care. If you come whining about it in a public forum and then excoriate the nation because we don't want to pay for it for you, then people are allowed to have an opinion on the matter. You don't want people treating you like a child? Then grow the fuck up and don't act like one.

And yes, I do consider dental care an essential. Just like food and shelter. Why don't you ask everyone else to pay for those for you, too. I'm sure there are any number of things you'd rather spend your money on. I personally make sure I have the means to pay for essentials. I don't waste every extra penny on fun things and then wonder why I can't pay for what I need. And I certainly don't then go asking people to pay for me. You're like the fucking fabled grasshopper and you seem to have no shame about it, either.

And if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate.

Classy: You heavily imply I'm a liar without saying it straight out, thus preserving deniability if challenged. That's cowardly behavior I thought (and still hope) beneath you. Oh, but perhaps I'm not dishonest, merely stupid; I guess that's--not really much better. Note that I continue to distinguish between unacceptable behavior and unacceptable people. Frankly, you've disappointed me. Again. However, if we're going to live in the world of "Why should I care...?" it's only my problem if I allow it to be. You may thank God I and most other liberals don't usually take that view (and believe it or not, that's usually more pragmatism than compassion. )

Which returns us to my earlier point: Thank you for reminding me why I'll never be a Libertarian. Government has a duty to protect your right to marry as you please, despite the fact you would be perfectly productive and healthy without it, but it has no obligation to assist, let alone ensure, anyone unable to obtain things you admit are vital to bare survival. Government should spend your tax money (and mine) on what matters to you and spending it on anything else is theft; it's a very tempting position. Something perhaps like, "Yeah, it's horribly unjust that gay people are denied the right to marry as they please, but it's also NOT MY PROBLEM: I'M straight. :) "

Meanwhile, I'll bet if your only transportation to work cost around a thousand dollars to repair (despite getting a buyers check before buying it, and I'll never be back to THAT mechanic) you'd pay for that "fun. " I'll bet if your right arm was hanging out of its socket and causing so much pain that you couldn't stand erect, you'd drop another three grand putting it back in its socket and going to physical therapy so you could raise it above your navel and hold a glass of water again (wheeeeee! ) Lazy SOB that I am, I went back to work after three weeks instead of six like my physical therapist recommended. If one of your best friends in the world was dying you'd do all you could to save him. At least I hope so; to be a not-liar once more, what you've said here gives me cause to wonder. Perhaps you'd just tell him to make better choices next time and stop whining to you about his problems. I had a mountain of unanticipated expenses, most of them after what had seemed a growing savings was already largely committed elsewhere. Again, I try not to come here whining too often (though I DID go off a bit on that BS my companys disability carrier tried to pull; on the other hand, I didn't fly a plane into a federal building over it, like another guy in Austin did at the time, so count your blessings. ) When I posted this thread I wanted to vent and nearly everyone i care about was working or sleeping. It should've been a Journal Post; I concede that, but on the other hand I genuinely believe this is one of the things killing this country, and it's not like I'm the first or will be the last person to do something like this on the CMB.

For the record, the request for "$9k you don't need" was sarcastic and rhetorical; next time I'll try to use a less ambiguous smiley. Unless you mean the idea of medicine as a tax based social service itself, in which case we're back to you not getting to decide unilaterally how 300 million peoples tax dollars are spent. I'm not moving to Norway in search of a preferable government, but I'll reiterate my standing offer: If American upper class taxes and social services are so oppressive, maybe you should find a First World democracy that will give you a better deal. Oh, wait, there aren't any; maybe try Saudi Arabia then (you might want to leave the rainbow flag here though.... ;))

See, the thing is, the government ALREADY provides a great deal of food and shelter to those who can't afford to provide it for themselves, however much it irks and robs you, not because we love the impoverished so much, but because having millions starving on the street is bad for productivity (also because they've been known to TAKE what they need by violence. ) It's bad for society as well as the starving homeless people. Note that all of these same principles apply to medical care; a dead worker is an unproductive worker. He may have been a Nazi (literally) but even Henry Ford understood you have to pay your workers enough that they can also be your customers. A lot of folks (like that yutz from The Weekly Standard, but I'll get to him shortly) have forgotten that because they're so out of touch their neuropathy is nearly terminal (and may prove just that for the US. ) It's OK though, the Far East and the WTO are about to remind them.... ;)

I don't hold myself blameless in this; I haven't done my share of the work to take care of my teeth, and I admit that, but the situation is far from irretrievable. There's no reason I MUST loose my teeth now except that getting rid of taxes on seven figure inheritances is more vital to the country than its citizens ability to eat. It's pretty pathetic that my tax dollars (for which I work as hard as anyone) can be spent on subsidies for over priced SUVs gulping oil that funds terrorism from which my army must then defend me, but not what we both agree are my actual necessities.

Meh. Given our history and how personal this is getting I think I'm done; last word is yours if you want it. Yet given how woefully ignorant you are of my life, how INCAPABLE you seem to be of beginning to comprehend it, I'm not sure why you bothered in the first place.
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NSSP: I Live in the Greatest Country on Earth! - 09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM 1604 Views
17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM 390 Views
seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off. - 09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM 903 Views
Give me the time and money, and I'll be happy to do it. - 09/09/2010 06:32:42 PM 886 Views
This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance. - 09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM 931 Views
So in other words it's your own damn fault. - 09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM 861 Views
"Not that expensive" is a big phrase. - 10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM 832 Views
I've actually been buying Boar's Head knockwurst for grilling. - 10/09/2010 05:46:59 AM 731 Views
Aaaah, thanks. - 10/09/2010 06:13:19 AM 750 Views
have you tried going to a dental school? - 09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM 777 Views
well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off. - 09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM 894 Views
Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own. - 09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM 1011 Views
whatever. If you put your health second... - 09/09/2010 07:40:20 PM 943 Views
Millions of Americans do it daily, which was my point. - 10/09/2010 05:48:38 AM 773 Views
17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM 482 Views
Dr. Pepper - 09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM 823 Views
Re: Dr. Pepper - 10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM 979 Views
A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM 951 Views
(shrugs) I don't mix personal and politics - 11/09/2010 07:21:36 PM 1185 Views
As it should be. - 11/09/2010 09:17:56 PM 928 Views
By they way, some quick possibly useful advice - 11/09/2010 07:38:02 PM 927 Views
Yeah, those are the two things I'm thinking. - 11/09/2010 08:47:54 PM 935 Views
no, that would be the dr. pepper again... - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM 845 Views
no but he is a big fan of Kool-Aid *NM* - 09/09/2010 10:08:25 PM 433 Views
*NM* - 10/09/2010 05:43:06 PM 470 Views
Yikes. - 09/09/2010 08:45:55 PM 811 Views
This is (one of) the thing(s) I love about you: - 10/09/2010 05:34:02 AM 900 Views
One bit at a time.. - 09/09/2010 10:11:00 PM 811 Views
Indeed. - 10/09/2010 05:54:10 AM 966 Views
I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries. - 10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM 872 Views
yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM* - 10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM 453 Views
LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care. - 10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM 956 Views
I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes! - 10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM 876 Views
Certainly not! *NM* - 10/09/2010 08:13:07 AM 387 Views
All hail the stereotype! - 10/09/2010 10:12:30 AM 783 Views
Where does that stereotype come from? - 11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM 1141 Views
Also less of an obsession with artficially whitening teeth. *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:33:04 PM 435 Views
Combined with tea? *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:34:25 PM 392 Views
Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM 1203 Views
Re: Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:35:15 PM 1199 Views
Still keeping my US citizenship though. - 11/09/2010 09:53:05 PM 995 Views
It's painful to watch though. - 10/09/2010 06:16:03 AM 842 Views
America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM* - 10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM 514 Views
Suck it up - 10/09/2010 01:27:09 AM 832 Views
Norway doesn't provide dental coverage for anyone over 18. - 10/09/2010 06:09:32 AM 903 Views
~shrugs~ - 10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM 824 Views
Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM* - 10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM 466 Views
LITERATEDOG!! - 10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM 926 Views
Not really. - 10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM 919 Views
Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel. - 10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM 798 Views
Funny thing is I once would've agreed. - 10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM 910 Views
Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it. - 10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM 955 Views
Joel opened himself up to this - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM 848 Views
But it's all about his personal choices. - 10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM 945 Views
Yes. - 10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM 954 Views
Much better put than in my post. What she said. *NM* - 10/09/2010 06:39:27 PM 390 Views
Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice". - 10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM 778 Views
Ok. - 11/09/2010 07:14:23 AM 801 Views
Actually, no. Not ok. - 11/09/2010 08:23:02 AM 737 Views
But, you know, even then, put the political part of it aside. - 10/09/2010 11:29:36 PM 899 Views
Excoriate? - 11/09/2010 07:21:03 AM 1221 Views
.sorry, darlin'... - 11/09/2010 03:40:24 AM 1039 Views
and edit. - 11/09/2010 07:23:41 AM 983 Views
In other words, you made sacrfices for those you love. - 11/09/2010 04:25:08 PM 1090 Views
"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh? - 11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM 1034 Views
I have about 3 fiddy - 10/09/2010 05:47:38 PM 820 Views
*submerges and capsizes your boat* - 11/09/2010 04:35:04 PM 886 Views

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