I'm not assuming there's an underlying bad nature, I am saying she should look to see if it's there.
Phelix Send a noteboard - 08/09/2010 10:27:21 PM
... just because they used a word that's so frequently thrown around as an insult. Quite often good naturedly, especially in highly macho arenas like rugby fandom can be. The biggest insult that macho blokes can throw at other blokes is weakness, and that's the meaning that faggot most often has in those circles.
I can't speak to those cultures because I don't know them very well. I do know in similar groups I've interacted with, I spent some time a box factory outside of Johannesburg, faggot definitely meant queer. I know South Africa isn't New Zealand, but they're similar enough in this instance, no?
It's like calling someone an arsehole. You just say it, and most often don't mean it.
But arsehole doesn't target a specific population and denigrate them. Everyone has an arsehole, and if someone is being an arse, you're calling them out for their behavior. Calling someone a faggot is different.
Yes, it is certainly becoming a horrible insult for homosexuals, but she probably heard it a lot from her older male relatives so it won't have that meaning for her.
She also probably heard its more recent meaning all the time in school and at athletic events.
The American influence really only became huge in the late 70s and early 80s. Faggot is a much older insult than that.
But she is not. She's 22, if I recall the article correctly, which means she would have been born in 88, well after the timeframe you put on the American Influence becoming big. She would have grown up hearing it in its more recent context and meaning as well as from older male relatives in the older context.
That's what I mean. So no, she doesn't need to "soul search". She needs to think before she speaks or tweets, or whatever. And she needs to remember the connotation the word has for most people around the world and not use it again. That's as far as it needs to go, IMO.
I think we're going to have to disagree on this one. I don't think a bit of soul searching is a bad thing. Anytime you hit a major bump, you should stop to look and think about why it happened, and this seems to be counting as a major bump.
If there's no underlying dislike for queer folk, fine, she'll go on, none the worse for having looked inside herself. If she looks, and realizes she does have an issue, she can address it.
What's the problem with that?
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Interesting way to bring people together
08/09/2010 04:36:19 PM
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1. That girl is an idiot who needs to do some soul searching...
08/09/2010 07:07:47 PM
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? not that her comment was excusable...
08/09/2010 07:45:59 PM
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It's not a cardinal sin against humanity...
08/09/2010 07:55:55 PM
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or it just means...
08/09/2010 08:18:57 PM
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Societal problems don't go away from the group level.
08/09/2010 08:25:21 PM
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You have an odd definition of homophobe (or at least that's what your last paragraph implies).
08/09/2010 10:04:52 PM
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I was trying to use her words...
08/09/2010 10:17:32 PM
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Ah, okay. Her apology does seem rather clumsy, agreed there.
08/09/2010 11:05:34 PM
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Glad to clear up that confusion.
08/09/2010 11:11:35 PM
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I don't think you should read too much in the exact wording of her apology.
08/09/2010 11:24:21 PM
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You should watch that Southpark episode where they change the meaning of the word faggot.
08/09/2010 09:24:16 PM
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I've seen it, and it was funny.
08/09/2010 09:40:43 PM
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Suspect you need to consider the way the word is used in other countries.
08/09/2010 09:46:05 PM
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I admit, I don't know many (any) kiwis personally (in person that is)...
08/09/2010 09:52:45 PM
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The insult word for homosexuals Downunder tends to be Fruit or Queer.
08/09/2010 09:58:04 PM
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OK, I can see that.
08/09/2010 10:09:16 PM
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I think it's unfair to people to assume that there's some underlying bad nature...
08/09/2010 10:18:29 PM
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I'm not assuming there's an underlying bad nature, I am saying she should look to see if it's there.
08/09/2010 10:27:21 PM
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And I'm saying that you're instantly looking on the negative side of things instead of
08/09/2010 10:46:11 PM
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I don't think I'm looking at the negative side of things, merely saying that she needs to look.
08/09/2010 11:01:11 PM
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Or, she was replying to interview questions and thinking on her feet.
08/09/2010 11:10:26 PM
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She said she needs to learn to think before she tweets lol
08/09/2010 08:14:38 PM
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Yes, but that's just a surface change.
08/09/2010 08:20:59 PM
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