The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware.
Joel Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM
I would agree that we didn't outright "take" the land, but it wasn't a friendly business transaction either.
I said purchased, I didn't say 'cheerful friendly deal'

Frankly, I'm not even entirely sure why we made it. According to Wikipedia it was about the Union-Pacific and Jefferson Davis' dreams of territorial acquisition while Secy. of War. To this day about all we have to show for $10 million is Tuscon.
As a Texan, I know full well why the US went to war with Mexico, and while Santa Anna is much to blame (had he upheld the 1824 Constitution as he was sworn to do TX might still be part of Mexico, and the terms of OUR treaty required him to forever renounce the Presidency. ) What's a lot more hazy is why that war, its casus belli or its outcome justify the Mexican Cession. What that boils down to is the US Army occupying all of Mexico, and allowing Mexico proper to regain its independence after extracting a hefty pound of flesh (probably more than anything because our territory was expanding TOO quickly at the time, forcing a showdown between "traditionalists" who wanted, on one hand, to restrict slavery to its historical limits and, on the other hand, to preserve the historic balance of power between agricultural slave and industrial free states. ) We screwed the natives more than adequately after we took control though; where's Geronimos skull? Don't tell the Comanche, Apache or Navajo that the US was blameless in the Mexican Cession (to be fair, troubles with the first two date back to the acquisition of TX, but most of TX is outside the easternmost range for the Comanches during their dominance. )
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country?
16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM
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why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM*
16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM
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Yeah that's why i don't want us to take over. I think the US is already too big as is *NM*
16/08/2010 04:37:41 PM
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One might argue it already is. The other way around too, though. *NM*
16/08/2010 04:44:19 PM
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I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride.
16/08/2010 04:51:38 PM
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Re: I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride.
16/08/2010 05:11:49 PM
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Actually, make that number 120 to 150. *NM*
16/08/2010 05:14:15 PM
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We don't invade countries we can't locate on the map...
16/08/2010 06:01:43 PM
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So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself?
16/08/2010 06:11:43 PM
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Re: So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself?
16/08/2010 06:30:56 PM
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When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both
16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM
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I agree we should attack Canada instead
16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM
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Yeah, but they don't gouge us for the oil, cost the same as anyone else *NM*
16/08/2010 05:49:38 PM
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I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico.
16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM
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"I would stop doing a bad thing 10 times over before I did a worse thing"? WTF? *NM*
16/08/2010 06:04:48 PM
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Read the original post. He proposes annexing Mexico due to the drug problem.
16/08/2010 06:28:54 PM
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He's just nitpicking on your phrasing in the subject line. I think. *NM*
16/08/2010 06:37:17 PM
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that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM*
16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM
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Work Visas might help, but...
16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM
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Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence
16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM
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Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page
16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM
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it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans
16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM
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When the US says so. We are the bosses of the World, are we not? *NM*
16/08/2010 08:06:08 PM
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Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM*
16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM
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If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM*
16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM
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Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM*
16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM
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Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35
16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM
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Ok that's what I was thinking
16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM
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Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating".
16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM
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Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating".
16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM
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I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to...
16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM
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Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing
16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM
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Ah,
16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM
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Nah, more like, I know I shouldn't have done this, but I couldn't resist. *NM*
16/08/2010 10:07:35 PM
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Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me.
16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM
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The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping
16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM
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I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue.
16/08/2010 10:09:16 PM
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Re: I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue.
16/08/2010 10:19:19 PM
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The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half?
16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM
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"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM*
16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM
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yes after a messy political and physical "conflict"
16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM
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There was also the Gasdsen Purchase
17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM
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The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware.
18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM
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and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM*
17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM
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same way
it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it.
17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM
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my best friend is an illegal and is going back to mexico in a few months
16/08/2010 11:28:11 PM
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every issue is simpler when you don't have faces to represent it for you. *NM*
16/08/2010 11:29:38 PM
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We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels.
17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM
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Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels.
17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM
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Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels.
17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM
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I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM*
17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM
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