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Work Visas might help, but... Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM
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I do like the idea of pathways for citizenship and work programs, I don't like a porous border, I'm not sure why a fence bugs people so much, it's a border, fences are actually pretty normal features of borders in other countries. We can actually do both, fences aren't expensive

So the other thing is also, are their enough jobs for these visas, who gets them, etc? There will still be plenty of people wanting to come over, or simply remain afterwards, singular magic fixes won't help, though a fence certainly will cut down one avenue, so would enforcing deportation a bit more. Also, what about a 5 year work visa where someone has a kid, quite likely, we gonna boot the whole family? Or does the magic fix just become 'get visa, go up to US, have child, remain forever'.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1268 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 344 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 908 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 321 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 781 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 797 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 793 Views
I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico. - 16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM 868 Views
that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM* - 16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM 329 Views
Lol that rates right up there with the bridge to nowhere *NM* - 16/08/2010 06:49:19 PM 342 Views
Work Visas might help, but... - 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM 992 Views
Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence - 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM 734 Views
Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page - 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM 644 Views
it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans - 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM 793 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 293 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 997 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 326 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 416 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 320 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 723 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 755 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 774 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 709 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 875 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 780 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 691 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 826 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 684 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 817 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 765 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 812 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 331 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 781 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 727 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 646 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 721 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1166 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 359 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 604 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 946 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 307 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 319 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 627 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 695 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 862 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 310 Views

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