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Re: I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 05:11:49 PM
Mexico is such a God-awful country that people are fleeing in droves (no offense to anybody from Mexico or who has family there. I have many, many Hispanic friends who agree that Mexico is a dangerous place. It sucks because some areas are really beautiful). So I told my friend, tongue-in-cheek, that we should just take Mexico over. We laughed about it and discussed other things.

Let's not exaggerate here. Ciudad Juarez is one of the most dangerous places on earth, agreed, and the drugs-related violence is also present to varying degrees in other parts of the country. But there are regions that are quite calm and where one can live decently, and Mexico is not remotely as poor as a number of other countries in the Americas - well above the median, I'd even say. And of course you cannot look at the drugs issue without looking at the role played in that by the American drug users, and the American war on drugs.

However, the thought has stuck with me ever since. I started thinking about the history of this world and how countries have come into being. So my philosophical question for the day is, once a country is established, does it have the right to always exist as is? At what point does a country deserve to have better leadership?

If you think Mexico is in a position where you start considering taking it over, I'd have to say there are at least fifty and I think closer to eighty or even a hundred other countries that are worse off and need taking over sooner.

By the way, I don't think we should really take over Mexico. It's just frustration with the immigration debate and the drug violence. A lot of people here in South Texas are affected by it. I just wish Mexico could get its act together. I wonder, though, how the Mexican people would feel about being a part of the US. Do a majority of them have national pride? Hmmm food for thought

Er, let's see. Ever heard of Cinco de Mayo? Noticed all the interest whenever the Mexican and American soccer teams play each other? You bet Mexican people have national pride, both the ones in Mexico and those in the US. Their country is nearly as old as the US, after all - what is it, 1810 or thereabouts? - even if they've had dictatorships for a large part of their history.


And one of their biggest football teams, Chivas, only picks Mexican players - not that it really needed more adding but I was reminded of about it today so I thought I'd share
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1230 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* random thoughts - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 330 Views
Yeah that's why i don't want us to take over. I think the US is already too big as is *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:37:41 PM 303 Views
One might argue it already is. The other way around too, though. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 04:44:19 PM 289 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. Ghavrel - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 864 Views
Revolución! *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 303 Views
I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride. Legolas - 16/08/2010 04:51:38 PM 774 Views
Re: I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride. snoopcester - 16/08/2010 05:11:49 PM 637 Views
Actually, make that number 120 to 150. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 05:14:15 PM 301 Views
We don't invade countries we can't locate on the map... Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:01:43 PM 849 Views
So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself? Legolas - 16/08/2010 06:11:43 PM 593 Views
Re: So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself? Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:30:56 PM 819 Views
Nah, they're willing to switch allegiances at the drop of a hat Brian - 16/08/2010 06:25:29 PM 665 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? snoopcester - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 744 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both Isaac - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 763 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead random thoughts - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 757 Views
Yeah, but they don't gouge us for the oil, cost the same as anyone else *NM* Isaac - 16/08/2010 05:49:38 PM 311 Views
I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico. Tom - 16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM 831 Views
"I would stop doing a bad thing 10 times over before I did a worse thing"? WTF? *NM* Cannoli - 16/08/2010 06:04:48 PM 384 Views
Read the original post. He proposes annexing Mexico due to the drug problem. Tom - 16/08/2010 06:28:54 PM 799 Views
He's just nitpicking on your phrasing in the subject line. I think. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 06:37:17 PM 293 Views
that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM 313 Views
Lol that rates right up there with the bridge to nowhere *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 06:49:19 PM 324 Views
Work Visas might help, but... Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM 949 Views
Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM 694 Views
Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page Isaac - 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM 610 Views
it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM 758 Views
When the US says so. We are the bosses of the World, are we not? *NM* Francie - 16/08/2010 08:06:08 PM 311 Views
west point? *NM* jh - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 273 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things Napoleon62 - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 949 Views
never *NM* Yunalesca - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 309 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 401 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 304 Views
Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM 307 Views
Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM 837 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 Isaac - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 689 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 697 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 733 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". Camilla - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 662 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 832 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 738 Views
Ah, snoopcester - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 645 Views
Nah, more like, I know I shouldn't have done this, but I couldn't resist. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:07:35 PM 326 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 782 Views
Perhaps snoopcester - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 646 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 773 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 723 Views
I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue. Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:09:16 PM 784 Views
Re: I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue. Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:19:19 PM 700 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? Bramhodoulos - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 771 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 311 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 744 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase Isaac - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 686 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. Joel - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 606 Views
It is fairly large, but yes Isaac - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 682 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1123 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 343 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 563 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 883 Views
well they were not using it *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 288 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 302 Views
my best friend is an illegal and is going back to mexico in a few months Delireus - 16/08/2010 11:28:11 PM 737 Views
every issue is simpler when you don't have faces to represent it for you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 11:29:38 PM 313 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. everynametaken - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 584 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. Isaac - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 654 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. everynametaken - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 817 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 293 Views
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