Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need
Rebekah Send a noteboard - 12/08/2010 09:38:33 PM
... to add it to mine.
You said that I didn't want marriage for homosexuals. Which is not the case. If you choose to pretend that you answered me with something different, then that's up to you.
So, I shall quote you: "The line between discrimination and opinion is a very thin one. I don't see how you're not discriminating here since you've offered no reasoning for why gay's ought not be married and addressed none of my points. It was a lengthy post so I can sympathize with not reading it entirely. "
I did give you reasons for my religious opinion, which you ignored. I said that in my church, the homosexual act is against God's word. To expand upon that in a (possibly pointless, given your inability to read) attempt to help you understand: since homosexual sex is, in my church, against the Word of God, officiating a marriage of two homosexual people would be saying that the relationship is fine in the eyes of the church, that the church is happy with them having sex. My church is not happy with that, because (I can say this ad infinitum if you like) we believe it does not fit in with the rules that God has given us to live by in His Word. That is my church's rules, and people who don't like them don't have to be in that church. There's no requirement to be part of it. It's a choice. It's like belonging to a club.
Since living in a particular country isn't anywhere near as much of a choice, mostly being an accident of birth, governments should ensure there is a state provision of marriage to all people who wish to get married, as consenting adults.
But that does not extend to private clubs which have no state sanctioning, no public service factor, and no requirement to belong. It's not like having a job, which you need to make money to keep you alive. It's not like going to a doctor, which helps you stay healthy and alive (although that's a bit funny to be writing to an American), and it's not like public transport, which enables necessary movement from place to place. It's an extra, another of life's choices. It doesn't (necessarily) keep you alive, fed, healthy, etc. It's for personal enjoyment. And the state has no right to decide what goes on there, unless what does go on trangresses a person or their possession.
You said that I didn't want marriage for homosexuals. Which is not the case. If you choose to pretend that you answered me with something different, then that's up to you.
So, I shall quote you: "The line between discrimination and opinion is a very thin one. I don't see how you're not discriminating here since you've offered no reasoning for why gay's ought not be married and addressed none of my points. It was a lengthy post so I can sympathize with not reading it entirely. "
I did give you reasons for my religious opinion, which you ignored. I said that in my church, the homosexual act is against God's word. To expand upon that in a (possibly pointless, given your inability to read) attempt to help you understand: since homosexual sex is, in my church, against the Word of God, officiating a marriage of two homosexual people would be saying that the relationship is fine in the eyes of the church, that the church is happy with them having sex. My church is not happy with that, because (I can say this ad infinitum if you like) we believe it does not fit in with the rules that God has given us to live by in His Word. That is my church's rules, and people who don't like them don't have to be in that church. There's no requirement to be part of it. It's a choice. It's like belonging to a club.
Since living in a particular country isn't anywhere near as much of a choice, mostly being an accident of birth, governments should ensure there is a state provision of marriage to all people who wish to get married, as consenting adults.
But that does not extend to private clubs which have no state sanctioning, no public service factor, and no requirement to belong. It's not like having a job, which you need to make money to keep you alive. It's not like going to a doctor, which helps you stay healthy and alive (although that's a bit funny to be writing to an American), and it's not like public transport, which enables necessary movement from place to place. It's an extra, another of life's choices. It doesn't (necessarily) keep you alive, fed, healthy, etc. It's for personal enjoyment. And the state has no right to decide what goes on there, unless what does go on trangresses a person or their possession.
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Gay Marriage
- 12/08/2010 10:23:19 AM
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I disagree on the latter part
- 12/08/2010 12:04:15 PM
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I follow your point...
- 12/08/2010 12:14:17 PM
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Suspect you would find plenty of denominations that would argue with you rather strenuously.
- 12/08/2010 12:24:55 PM
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See, that's what I'm saying...
- 12/08/2010 07:37:26 PM
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You didn't read my post.
- 12/08/2010 09:10:21 PM
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Actually, you didn't read my post
- 12/08/2010 09:23:54 PM
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Um, you're wrong.
- 12/08/2010 09:37:13 PM
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- 12/08/2010 09:37:13 PM
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Re: Um, you're wrong.
- 12/08/2010 09:44:17 PM
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- 12/08/2010 09:44:17 PM
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Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. And no, he described it accurately. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 09:53:31 PM
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You're still wrong.
- 12/08/2010 09:54:55 PM
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- 12/08/2010 09:54:55 PM
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Re: You're still wrong.
- 12/08/2010 09:58:26 PM
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- 12/08/2010 09:58:26 PM
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Again, you are still wrong.
- 12/08/2010 10:04:42 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:04:42 PM
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Re: Again, you are still wrong.
- 12/08/2010 10:17:13 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:17:13 PM
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Wrong definition of "club"
- 12/08/2010 10:30:52 PM
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Re: Wrong definition of "club"
- 12/08/2010 10:40:55 PM
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Also
- 12/08/2010 10:02:44 PM
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And wrong again.
- 12/08/2010 10:08:24 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:08:24 PM
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Not so quick!
- 12/08/2010 10:21:31 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:21:31 PM
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Yes, so quick!
- 12/08/2010 10:32:13 PM
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Let's be reasonable here
- 12/08/2010 10:41:53 PM
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Why do you get to judge?
- 12/08/2010 10:48:57 PM
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I don't
- 12/08/2010 10:53:21 PM
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OK.
- 12/08/2010 10:58:22 PM
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Re: OK.
- 12/08/2010 11:03:50 PM
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Here's the thing: your opinion seems to be informed by the Roman Catholic Faith.
- 12/08/2010 11:14:03 PM
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Re: Here's the thing: your opinion seems to be informed by the Roman Catholic Faith.
- 12/08/2010 11:23:35 PM
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Then please stop.
- 12/08/2010 11:01:05 PM
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- 12/08/2010 11:01:05 PM
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What's wrong with discussion?
- 12/08/2010 11:05:48 PM
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Discussion? Nothing. Your assertions about other people's views, something.
- 12/08/2010 11:09:48 PM
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What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay?
- 12/08/2010 10:12:54 PM
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Re: What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay?
- 12/08/2010 10:23:36 PM
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Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer.
- 12/08/2010 10:36:48 PM
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Re: Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer.
- 12/08/2010 10:46:22 PM
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Not entirely true either... or, well, true as far as Brown goes.
- 12/08/2010 10:08:42 PM
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Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need
- 12/08/2010 09:38:33 PM
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Re: Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need
- 12/08/2010 09:55:05 PM
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Gah.
- 12/08/2010 09:59:45 PM
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What a mature response.
- 12/08/2010 10:11:00 PM
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I can't speak for Rebekah, but I don't think the issue is that your points are invalid per se.
- 12/08/2010 10:22:30 PM
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Um
- 12/08/2010 09:46:43 PM
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That's a very good question. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 09:49:05 PM
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It makes no sense
- 12/08/2010 04:29:24 PM
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Re: It makes no sense
- 12/08/2010 07:39:25 PM
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Re: It makes no sense
- 12/08/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder...
- 12/08/2010 09:08:53 PM
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Re: Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder...
- 12/08/2010 09:42:21 PM
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What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin?
- 12/08/2010 09:45:33 PM
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Re: What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin?
- 13/08/2010 11:04:02 AM
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Wow, it's almost like an entire denomination believes that!
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- 13/08/2010 03:41:07 PM
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- 13/08/2010 03:41:07 PM
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- 13/08/2010 03:43:26 PM
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Yeah, that's the Roman Catholic basis against masturbation and contraception. *NM*
- 13/08/2010 04:12:00 PM
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Yes
- 13/08/2010 04:22:58 PM
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Dude....please at least have a working knowledge of the Bible before you spout off.
- 12/08/2010 10:47:13 PM
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secular marriage is decoupled from religious marriage
- 12/08/2010 02:50:43 PM
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Simple, require the legal and religious marriage to be performed separately.
- 12/08/2010 02:58:43 PM
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And they are, in fact, separate right now in the US. They're just called the same thing.
- 12/08/2010 03:29:26 PM
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It's not the same name that's confusing so much as the single ceremony. Or so it seems to me.
- 12/08/2010 03:37:20 PM
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I disagree. I think giving the legal institution the same name as the sacrament is the problem.
- 12/08/2010 03:59:43 PM
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What in the world would that accomplish?
- 12/08/2010 03:44:32 PM
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Provide some much-needed clarity, evidently.
- 12/08/2010 03:49:33 PM
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the problem is it would be changing a centuries old tradition..
- 12/08/2010 04:26:47 PM
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heheheheheheheHAHAHAHEHEHehehehehahheeh*cough*
- 12/08/2010 04:55:09 PM
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thats OK I am sure you will get over it
- 12/08/2010 05:22:08 PM
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Just guessing, but I think it was the "centuries old tradition" that set off the giggle fit.
- 12/08/2010 07:25:38 PM
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Really? I was hoping for something better
- 12/08/2010 10:06:00 PM
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So government recognition makes your religion meaningful?
- 12/08/2010 10:11:54 PM
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not my religion I'm agnostic
- 12/08/2010 10:34:40 PM
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I'm not far left, thank you very much. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 10:20:31 PM
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no but your are European and that slants your views
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- 12/08/2010 10:36:01 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:36:01 PM
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Simples
- 12/08/2010 09:30:31 PM
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there are about 140 post ranging from boyscouts to infant babtism
- 12/08/2010 10:57:46 PM
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So.
- 14/08/2010 01:27:59 AM
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sorry I responded I forgot what a tool you are. my bad
- 14/08/2010 02:48:57 AM
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You spout some utter gibberish then dish out insults when called on it? Very funny
- 15/08/2010 12:47:04 PM
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- 15/08/2010 12:47:04 PM
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Agreed *NM*
- 12/08/2010 03:45:04 PM
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I love you, Camilla
- 12/08/2010 04:02:15 PM
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Re: I love you, Camilla
- 12/08/2010 04:04:10 PM
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A couple of things
- 12/08/2010 12:58:09 PM
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there is major flaw in your argument
- 12/08/2010 03:31:45 PM
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Re: there is major flaw in your argument
- 12/08/2010 04:01:32 PM
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I should clarify that I support gay marriage
- 12/08/2010 05:20:36 PM
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One point about Prop. 8
- 12/08/2010 07:38:55 PM
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I know that is the commonl;y held belief but I thinkit is wrong
- 12/08/2010 10:32:58 PM
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Religious institutions, though, pushed hard to pass it.
- 12/08/2010 10:42:33 PM
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that doesn’t translate into people voting for religious reasons
- 12/08/2010 11:19:48 PM
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Bigotry and Fear that are supported and encouraged by religious institutions.
- 12/08/2010 11:32:30 PM
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there are major flaws in your argument
- 12/08/2010 07:51:52 PM
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Women can't be priests in the Catholic church.
- 12/08/2010 08:00:24 PM
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Forcing religious institutions to marry gay couples is hideously unconstitutional.
- 12/08/2010 04:18:59 PM
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You are absolutely wrong
- 12/08/2010 07:57:19 PM
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Your arguments are so specious and stupid I don't know where to begin.
- 13/08/2010 05:04:17 AM
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Why do people equate....
- 12/08/2010 07:11:15 PM
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Because "homophobic", like "xenophobic", has shifted a bit in meaning...
- 12/08/2010 07:33:56 PM
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Because your reasons for being against gay marriage are so specious *NM*
- 12/08/2010 07:59:42 PM
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I particularly enjoy the implied assumption that your a good enough judge of my motivations. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 09:24:14 PM
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Re: Why do people equate....
- 12/08/2010 08:04:24 PM
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+1
- 12/08/2010 08:06:19 PM
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Stop with the pile on Camilla.
- 12/08/2010 09:22:35 PM
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You would have said nothing if I had just said "agreed"
- 12/08/2010 09:27:33 PM
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Which speaks highly of you....
- 12/08/2010 09:36:30 PM
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This is being very petty. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 09:41:26 PM
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As opposed to a snarky +1 comment? *NM*
- 12/08/2010 09:45:02 PM
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It's not snarky.
- 12/08/2010 09:47:47 PM
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Its a +1 shorthand comment...
- 12/08/2010 09:52:04 PM
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Wow. Those two characters allowed you to read Camilla's motivations?
- 12/08/2010 09:54:25 PM
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Re: Why do people equate....
- 12/08/2010 09:13:07 PM
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you are exactly why the state needs to make a clear seperation between the secular and religious
- 12/08/2010 09:33:22 PM
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Ok, so if the state does then...
- 12/08/2010 09:44:31 PM
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No, marriage started because of property.
- 12/08/2010 09:59:14 PM
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So then two things come to mind...
- 12/08/2010 10:04:39 PM
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Only two?
- 12/08/2010 10:27:08 PM
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- 12/08/2010 10:27:08 PM
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That's a little difficult to do
- 13/08/2010 03:19:32 PM
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Re: That's a little difficult to do
- 13/08/2010 03:30:14 PM
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yes but about half of the old testament deals with protecting those rights
- 13/08/2010 05:16:09 PM
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The relationship between religion and rain go even farther back...
- 13/08/2010 06:15:32 PM
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Actually, I agree with that
- 12/08/2010 10:01:37 PM
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See, what I don't get is why gay people care about
- 12/08/2010 08:18:45 PM
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It's mostly about getting married in the eyes of the state.
- 12/08/2010 08:42:52 PM
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I'm fairly sure Jonte was referring only to the "churches have to accept gay marriages" bit. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 08:44:52 PM
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Starting again
- 12/08/2010 08:23:08 PM
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Not at all
- 12/08/2010 10:58:45 PM
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Re: Not at all
- 13/08/2010 09:14:48 AM
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Agreed *NM*
- 13/08/2010 10:21:06 AM
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Oh dear
- 13/08/2010 10:30:45 AM
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I suppose you also think that religious Pacifists should be eligible for the draft?
- 12/08/2010 08:42:21 PM
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