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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM
Are they horribly abusing facts or is it just that you don't agree with them? Because that would be something else.


The former, one of the reasons I raise incest is it is an example of the states being able to bar marriage between people, hence, arguments revolving around the states having no right to ban marriages are logically flawed. Arguments that the state should not possess that power are another matter, but as is, if someone states that no such right exist, they are overlooking precedent.

polygamy

In theory I have no problem with it. The issues with it have been discussed elsewhere on the board in the last week (I think by Tom) - basically it creates a real mess with existing legislation in a way that same sex marriage doesn't (since it is stil between two people it just slots into the existing tax legislation, for example). It would probably take some rewriting to extend tax breaks across x many people in a marriage... and one hell of a hard sell to the publis to explain why Jane and her 18 husbands deserve to pay so little tax.


I should imagine we'd agree that 'messes' something might introduce into legislation aren't really good reasons to keep a ban on something. :P

incest

Well since you want a key reason not to be mentioned, there is the other one - the fact it is more than possible for someone to be "groomed" from their early years for the relationship. Too much risk of abuse and it not being a healthy, really consent based relationship.


That applies to polygamy pretty often too. Or, say, someone adopting an adolescent then marrying them when they turn 18, pretty foul but I don't think "grooming" can be a blanket reason, since it wouldn't apply to people of the same age (sibs/cousins) in all likelihood. Also, every state has different laws and qualifiers for incest, some allow first cousins. But yes, of course there's the genetic defect thing, but gay unions can't produce kids, so incest unions who agree not too breed would seem equally legit, and again their is an issue, is incest the only situation where a higher-than-average-probability of genetic defects bars marriage, should it be, should others be for that reason, etc.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1536 Views
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One small problem... - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 982 Views
Re tax. - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1017 Views
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Who else should make those decisions? - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 946 Views
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Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1229 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 852 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 886 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 476 Views
Did I say there was anything? - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1005 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 925 Views
Is that assumption valid? - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 877 Views
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Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1001 Views
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 889 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 851 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1016 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 826 Views
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+1 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1041 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 853 Views
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If we need a more specific resolution... - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1162 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 852 Views
It also doesn't say they can - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 856 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 845 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 870 Views
To clarify for you - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 778 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1224 Views
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The best one yet. - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 974 Views
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Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 938 Views

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