Palestinian jailed for rape after claiming to be Jewish
Aisha Send a noteboard - 22/07/2010 03:24:15 PM
This title is misleading, the guy only said his name was Daniel, not that he was Jewish but moving on...this is such a stupid effing ruling and ti angers me to no avail. Way to go Israel! So a slutty Israeli girl meets a horny delivery guy on the street and they have sex an hour later in an empty office and then she finds out she just had sex with an Arab and he gets to spend 18 months in jail for rape? wow obviously this judge is not racist at all. His claim that the girl only slept with him because she thought it could lead to a marriage proposal is hilarious. Gee I wonder what the Judges ruling would have been if the roles were reversed and it was a Muslim woman making this claim. I find it amazing that they wont release the name of that woman but this guy now has to go through life being known as a rapist.
A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel".
By Adrian Blomfield in Jerusalem
Published: 10:00PM BST 20 Jul 2010
A court in Jerusalem has made international legal history by jailing Sabbar Kashur, a 30-year-old delivery man from East Jerusalem, for 18 months.
He was convicted of "rape by deception" following a criminal trial that has drawn criticism from across Israel.
The court heard accusations that Mr Kashur misled the woman, whose identity has not been disclosed, by introducing himself with the traditionally Jewish name during a chance encounter on a street in central Jerusalem in 2008.
After striking up a conversation, the two went into a top-floor room of a nearby office-block and engaged in a sexual encounter, after which Mr Kashur left before the woman had a chance to get dressed. It was only later that she discovered Mr Kashur's true racial background, lawyers said.
Although conceding that the sex was consensual, district court judge Tzvi Segal concluded that the law had a duty to protect women from "smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price"
"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated," Mrs Segal said as she delivered her verdict.
A conviction for rape by deception on the grounds of racial misrepresentation is believed to be internationally unprecedented, according to British legal experts.
The charge is rarely used in the West. In 2007, a Syrian pilot walked free from a court in Swansea after being accused of tricking a woman into intercourse by saying it could cure her of a sexually transmitted disease.
The guy sound like a dirtbag and the women sound like a genius for falling for that
A court in Massachusetts also acquitted a man who allegedly masqueraded as his twin-brother in order to have sex with the man's wife.
Thats messed up
While forced sex by deception is an offence under Israeli law, legal experts say it is a charge used sparingly in cases involving protracted deceit and a promise of marriage.
Kashur was originally accused of violent rape and indecent assault, but later accepted the lesser charge under a plea-bargain after prosecutors received evidence suggesting the encounter was consensual.
Kashur’s lawyer, Adnan Aladdin, said he had filed an appeal to ensure that the verdict was not considered precedent-setting, adding that otherwise “many men would find themselves in jail.”
Israeli legal experts said they found the verdict disquieting.
"In the context of Israeli society, you can see that some women would feel very strongly that they had been violated by someone who says he is Jewish but is not," said a former senior justice ministry official.
"The question is whether the state should punish somebody in that situation. It puts the law in the position of what could loosely be described as discrimination. I would feel intuitively uncomfortable about prosecuting someone for something like that."
Asked whether his client was the victim of racial discrimination, Mr Aladdin said he "would rather not comment". Others, however, were scathing.
Gideon Levy, a leading liberal commentator, said: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman. Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."
Israeli human rights activists said that Kashur's actions reflected the deceits many Palestinians practise when in Israel in an attempt to avoid official and private prejudice because of their background.
"It is very well known that Israeli-Palestinians living in Israel disguise themselves," said Leah Tsemel, a human-rights lawyer. "You change your accent and you change your dress because if you look like an Arab you face harassment.
"If you want to enter a pub, you'd better not look like an Arab and if you want to have sex with an Israeli girl, you had better not look like an Arab."
The prosecutor in the case was unavailable for comment and officials in the Jerusalem district attorney's office declined to discuss it.
A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel".
By Adrian Blomfield in Jerusalem
Published: 10:00PM BST 20 Jul 2010
A court in Jerusalem has made international legal history by jailing Sabbar Kashur, a 30-year-old delivery man from East Jerusalem, for 18 months.
He was convicted of "rape by deception" following a criminal trial that has drawn criticism from across Israel.
The court heard accusations that Mr Kashur misled the woman, whose identity has not been disclosed, by introducing himself with the traditionally Jewish name during a chance encounter on a street in central Jerusalem in 2008.
After striking up a conversation, the two went into a top-floor room of a nearby office-block and engaged in a sexual encounter, after which Mr Kashur left before the woman had a chance to get dressed. It was only later that she discovered Mr Kashur's true racial background, lawyers said.
Although conceding that the sex was consensual, district court judge Tzvi Segal concluded that the law had a duty to protect women from "smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price"
"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated," Mrs Segal said as she delivered her verdict.
A conviction for rape by deception on the grounds of racial misrepresentation is believed to be internationally unprecedented, according to British legal experts.
The charge is rarely used in the West. In 2007, a Syrian pilot walked free from a court in Swansea after being accused of tricking a woman into intercourse by saying it could cure her of a sexually transmitted disease.
The guy sound like a dirtbag and the women sound like a genius for falling for that
A court in Massachusetts also acquitted a man who allegedly masqueraded as his twin-brother in order to have sex with the man's wife.
Thats messed up
While forced sex by deception is an offence under Israeli law, legal experts say it is a charge used sparingly in cases involving protracted deceit and a promise of marriage.
Kashur was originally accused of violent rape and indecent assault, but later accepted the lesser charge under a plea-bargain after prosecutors received evidence suggesting the encounter was consensual.
Kashur’s lawyer, Adnan Aladdin, said he had filed an appeal to ensure that the verdict was not considered precedent-setting, adding that otherwise “many men would find themselves in jail.”
Israeli legal experts said they found the verdict disquieting.
"In the context of Israeli society, you can see that some women would feel very strongly that they had been violated by someone who says he is Jewish but is not," said a former senior justice ministry official.
"The question is whether the state should punish somebody in that situation. It puts the law in the position of what could loosely be described as discrimination. I would feel intuitively uncomfortable about prosecuting someone for something like that."
Asked whether his client was the victim of racial discrimination, Mr Aladdin said he "would rather not comment". Others, however, were scathing.
Gideon Levy, a leading liberal commentator, said: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman. Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."
Israeli human rights activists said that Kashur's actions reflected the deceits many Palestinians practise when in Israel in an attempt to avoid official and private prejudice because of their background.
"It is very well known that Israeli-Palestinians living in Israel disguise themselves," said Leah Tsemel, a human-rights lawyer. "You change your accent and you change your dress because if you look like an Arab you face harassment.
"If you want to enter a pub, you'd better not look like an Arab and if you want to have sex with an Israeli girl, you had better not look like an Arab."
The prosecutor in the case was unavailable for comment and officials in the Jerusalem district attorney's office declined to discuss it.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
Palestinian jailed for rape after claiming to be Jewish
22/07/2010 03:24:15 PM
- 1264 Views
that is scary
22/07/2010 04:30:30 PM
- 720 Views
Re: that is scary
22/07/2010 05:47:38 PM
- 632 Views
If a girl has a stuffed bra is that rape?
22/07/2010 06:12:01 PM
- 651 Views
Pretty messed up right there.
22/07/2010 04:45:37 PM
- 727 Views
Unles it was a line
22/07/2010 04:59:45 PM
- 605 Views
Deception is not coercion. *NM*
22/07/2010 05:40:20 PM
- 248 Views
Erm... did you post in the right place? *NM*
22/07/2010 05:55:54 PM
- 263 Views
If it was, it was surprisingly effective! Let's hope it wasn't something serious.
22/07/2010 06:18:44 PM
- 679 Views
Hi, I'm Daniel.
22/07/2010 06:43:52 PM
- 666 Views
Just to play devil's advocate here, rape by deception or rape by fraud are possible
22/07/2010 06:53:38 PM
- 777 Views
So...
22/07/2010 07:19:57 PM
- 618 Views
I am not sure I agree with that
22/07/2010 07:31:30 PM
- 765 Views
Lies, deception, and fraud, from a legal POV, aren't the same
22/07/2010 09:10:16 PM
- 681 Views
when you assume you make a victim out of you and a rapist out of me
22/07/2010 08:28:44 PM
- 930 Views
oh good lord this is ridiculous.
22/07/2010 10:28:31 PM
- 676 Views
So my friend who introduces himself as a Californian firefighting smoke jumper is a rapist? *NM*
22/07/2010 11:16:23 PM
- 255 Views
"Passing" and miscegenation used to be illegal in many states. Looks like Israel is still...
23/07/2010 03:22:52 AM
- 981 Views
Re: "Passing" and miscegenation used to be illegal in many states. Looks like Israel is still...
23/07/2010 04:38:27 AM
- 739 Views
Perhaps you were talking about Israel. I was talking about racism/ethnocentrism and how it...
23/07/2010 05:34:23 AM
- 750 Views
A bit more detail on this
23/07/2010 04:26:52 PM
- 735 Views