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What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM
This is not a difficult concept; why are you having so much trouble grasping it?

Look, I'll put it in a list.

1. Tim lives in a place with virtually no public transit.
2. Tim cannot afford a car.
3. The options of transportation are driving, public transit, walking, and bicycling.
4. Walking is unfeasible.
5. Therefore, Tim has to use a bicycle for transport.

I fully intend before the end of this thread to get it into your head that not every place in the world functions like an urbanized American area.

By the way, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "missing the point." Your point may well just be stupid.


...must have been the part where I stated that because Tim told off Aemon's point on account of context, that we should limit this discussion to the context of exercise, as it was for Deadsy.

Since you obviously haven't kept up with the entirety of the thread, you don't know that Deadsy posted the story about cycling at night, I responded saying "Hey you know that's really not smart, day or night, cycling in areas without bike specific infrastructure is foolish." What followed was a series of angry cyclists crying foul over that statement. Therefore, the context of the discussion is a) urban b) exercise. Get it? I've entertained this whole transportation discussion because I don't see it as all that important to the argument, but I honestly haven't been everywhere in the world so I can't fairly say anything about that. But insofar as exercise in urban areas is concerned, I think my points are legitimate.

I fully intend before the end of this thread to prove 2 points:

1) That cycling in urban (therefore typically busy areas) is neither smart nor safe.

2) That while there may be some, even many, occasions where one absolutely NEEDS a bike for transportation, a great majority of people who use it for transportation do so with a viable alternative.

Point number 2 is not really important or relevant to this discussion since, as Tim iterated two or three posts ago, we're limiting this discussion to a certain context.
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Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1279 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 547 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1080 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1030 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1402 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 936 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 567 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 554 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1164 Views
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This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1141 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1132 Views
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To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 972 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1170 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1142 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1195 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 967 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 979 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1119 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1097 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1156 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1158 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1105 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1127 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1148 Views
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1305 Views
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Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1157 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1215 Views
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Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 884 Views
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 629 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 715 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1111 Views
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heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1086 Views
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 983 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1200 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 983 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1055 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1227 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1239 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1112 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1261 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 941 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 528 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 476 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1087 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 986 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1118 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1001 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 997 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 979 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 901 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 956 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 996 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 933 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1053 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1116 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1068 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1060 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 909 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 942 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 596 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1146 Views

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