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What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM
This is not a difficult concept; why are you having so much trouble grasping it?

Look, I'll put it in a list.

1. Tim lives in a place with virtually no public transit.
2. Tim cannot afford a car.
3. The options of transportation are driving, public transit, walking, and bicycling.
4. Walking is unfeasible.
5. Therefore, Tim has to use a bicycle for transport.

I fully intend before the end of this thread to get it into your head that not every place in the world functions like an urbanized American area.

By the way, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "missing the point." Your point may well just be stupid.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1665 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1280 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 547 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 560 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 643 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 515 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1080 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1031 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 623 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1404 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 937 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 567 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 554 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1166 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 601 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1038 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1081 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1158 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1142 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1133 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1091 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1201 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1053 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1181 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1163 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1001 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1142 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 974 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1172 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 959 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1144 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1195 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 967 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 981 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1121 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1099 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1157 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1160 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 568 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1123 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1107 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1129 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 585 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1150 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1202 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1306 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1135 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1069 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1146 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1083 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1159 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1217 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1080 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 886 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1118 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 629 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1105 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 623 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 715 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1113 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1128 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1087 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1188 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 984 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 580 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1033 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1201 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 985 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1057 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1228 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1239 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1113 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1263 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1023 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 985 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 943 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 528 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 476 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1089 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 984 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 640 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 987 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1120 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1001 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 999 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 981 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 902 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 958 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 997 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 933 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1054 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 599 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 972 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1118 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1070 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1061 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 911 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 974 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 944 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 596 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1148 Views
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