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Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM
Which often doesn't exist, or is in the centre of the city/town only, or is freaking expensive and thus back to the needing a bike to survive thing.


Again, the original context of this discussion was urban. Deadsy was an a relatively urban area from what I understand, my response was geared towards urban cyclists and tim's flaming post of bull was concerned with urban cyclists as well. I don't really see a problem with rural cyclists or even suburban cyclists going for a bike ride in their neighborhood/farm. It's the ones who ride around busy cities or roads that are going to get themselves killed.


All of my replies have been about urban cycling. That reading doesn't change anything I've said.

Tim's "flaming post of bull" was sensible, factual, and much smarter than anything you've written in this thread. Cycling isn't just for recreation. Cycling is a valid, sensible form of transportation. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it isn't true.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1722 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1346 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 572 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 589 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 664 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 540 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1149 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1093 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 653 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1471 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 999 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 591 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 581 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1230 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 629 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1099 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1143 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1218 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1208 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1199 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1152 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1257 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1142 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1246 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1224 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1060 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1214 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1030 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1228 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 1024 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1208 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1258 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1038 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1038 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1178 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1164 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1225 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1224 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 593 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1186 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1178 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1186 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 613 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1214 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1266 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1359 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1190 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1138 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1210 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1147 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1223 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1286 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1116 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 951 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1179 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 649 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1163 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 649 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 746 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1176 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1190 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1155 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1261 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1057 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 602 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1093 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1266 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1038 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1116 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1281 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1297 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1176 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1333 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1090 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 1052 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 996 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 553 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 496 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1152 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 1048 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 670 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1050 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1181 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1075 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1063 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1041 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 961 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1020 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1053 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 999 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1119 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 626 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 1031 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1182 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1128 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1131 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 969 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1041 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1008 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 618 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1220 Views
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