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Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM
Which often doesn't exist, or is in the centre of the city/town only, or is freaking expensive and thus back to the needing a bike to survive thing.


Again, the original context of this discussion was urban. Deadsy was an a relatively urban area from what I understand, my response was geared towards urban cyclists and tim's flaming post of bull was concerned with urban cyclists as well. I don't really see a problem with rural cyclists or even suburban cyclists going for a bike ride in their neighborhood/farm. It's the ones who ride around busy cities or roads that are going to get themselves killed.


All of my replies have been about urban cycling. That reading doesn't change anything I've said.

Tim's "flaming post of bull" was sensible, factual, and much smarter than anything you've written in this thread. Cycling isn't just for recreation. Cycling is a valid, sensible form of transportation. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it isn't true.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1855 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1481 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 628 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 653 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 735 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 618 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1292 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1253 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 715 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1632 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1146 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 651 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 648 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1385 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 685 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1264 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1282 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1377 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1342 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1324 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1289 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1393 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1272 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1385 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1359 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1206 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1365 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1164 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1388 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 1164 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1357 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1414 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1172 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1177 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1313 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1298 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1395 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1366 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 654 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1328 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1323 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1330 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 693 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1353 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1407 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1488 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1341 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1267 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1360 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1294 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1357 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1420 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1255 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 1094 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1316 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 712 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1307 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 715 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 798 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1324 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1326 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1333 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1413 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1189 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 657 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1234 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1398 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1181 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1238 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1436 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1442 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1303 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1473 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1227 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 1199 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1127 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 608 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 566 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1322 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 1187 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 720 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1194 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1317 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1238 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1191 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1183 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 1102 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1161 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1201 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1135 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1266 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 690 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 1176 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1324 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1273 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1262 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 1111 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1182 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1177 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 669 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1360 Views
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