1) We need a lot more bike lanes and
2) We need to make bicycling to be illegal anywhere else.
Cyclists are not allowed on highways. Except State Highway 29. And State Highway 360. And Farm to Market 734. That's just off the top of my head in one town, but having been to Portland a few times now I can see it's at least as bad there (although, to be fair, it seems like Portland has a LOT more bike lanes and, once again, while I think it's incredibly STUPID to be riding in a bike lane next to a 70 mph highway, I concede the onus is on me, the driver, to stay the hell out of their lane and be alert enough to avoid anyone who accidentally veers or falls into mine. )
Again, they need to put in the infrastructure as well as the law, and, yes, it needs to be in that order (but with very little lag. )
I contend, however, that the real problem is that PEOPLE often behave stupidly; they have "bicycles not allowed on freeway" signs for the same reason they have "no fishing from bridge signs: " Because if you don't pass a law explicitly banning it AND put up signs declaring it, more idiots would do it. Note that I said, "more" because a few idiots do it anyway. They break "the Stupid Law" and usually pay the price sooner or later; the only hope is that not many people have to share that bill with them.
2) We need to make bicycling to be illegal anywhere else.
it doesn't Cyclists are not allowed on highways. Cyclists are allowed on most normal roadways.
Cyclists are not allowed on highways. Except State Highway 29. And State Highway 360. And Farm to Market 734. That's just off the top of my head in one town, but having been to Portland a few times now I can see it's at least as bad there (although, to be fair, it seems like Portland has a LOT more bike lanes and, once again, while I think it's incredibly STUPID to be riding in a bike lane next to a 70 mph highway, I concede the onus is on me, the driver, to stay the hell out of their lane and be alert enough to avoid anyone who accidentally veers or falls into mine. )
If they made it illegal to operate bikes anywhere but a bike lane on normal roads, no one could ride their bicycle in many cities. Can you imagine if a city said "you can't ride anywhere but a bike lane, oh but you can't ride on the side walk either"? If a city isn't going to put in the infrastructure (fat chance of that happening without a few deaths), then they sure as hell better not install a stupid law like that. Not to mention that bike lanes don't magically make a car more aware. I was almost run over SO many times on my going-the-speed-limit moped in a road, and I was MUCH more obvious than a bike.
Again, they need to put in the infrastructure as well as the law, and, yes, it needs to be in that order (but with very little lag. )
I contend, however, that the real problem is that PEOPLE often behave stupidly; they have "bicycles not allowed on freeway" signs for the same reason they have "no fishing from bridge signs: " Because if you don't pass a law explicitly banning it AND put up signs declaring it, more idiots would do it. Note that I said, "more" because a few idiots do it anyway. They break "the Stupid Law" and usually pay the price sooner or later; the only hope is that not many people have to share that bill with them.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM
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Ummm
28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM
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Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM*
28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM
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Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM*
28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM
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seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM*
28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM
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That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM*
28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points.
28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM
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hey now!
28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM
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I understand that what he said offended you
28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM
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You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM*
29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM
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My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM
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Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM
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This point:
28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM
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Not in the United States.
28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM
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Highways are, of course, a different matter.
28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM
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I know
28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM
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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder.
29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
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i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access
29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM
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Maybe I should have said "modern roads."
28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM
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Perhaps.
28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM
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I think we just disagree on the necessity is all.
28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car.
29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
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The central issue is people.
29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads.
29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM
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There are TWO equally important points there:
30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
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then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM*
01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM
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Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
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...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM*
30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM
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You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then...
30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM*
01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM
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Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses.
01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM
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Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM*
02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM
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Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do.
29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist
01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM
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He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM*
01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM
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I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
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Now now, there's no need to be rude.
02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM
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Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude.
04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM
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That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and...
28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM
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Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM
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Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM*
28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM
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In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road
28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM
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Not sure, but
28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM
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Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM*
28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM
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I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
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?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway
29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM
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Should be, but it's not.
29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM
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Question for you.
29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM
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the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical
29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM
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