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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
It is illegal for bicycles to be on interstate highways. Where there are no sidewalks (between cities and most of rural america outside the immediate town/city), there are signs that say "shared roadway" which shows a car and bicycle in the picture-because people assume bicyclists aren't allowed on the road. Where I live it is also illegal for bicycles to be on the sidewalk. Generally where the speed limit is higher, the shoulder is too narrow to accomodate bicyclists.

There is a very windy* mountain road that I travel frequently. It is also the only road into a tourist area, so bicycles and cars frequently share the road. Now, part of this road is on the side of a mountain on a steep incline, where a river winds next to the mountain. The shoulder is literally 4 inches wide, then there's the stone wall, then a cliff that drops into a river. There are also many blind bends in the road so you can't see if there's someone coming in the opposite lane. The speed limit there is 55. So, of course, people drive 70. If there is a bicyclist in the lane, you have to basically do a the sign of the cross and try to go around, or be stuck and add 20 minutes onto the travel time because there is now way to pass.

Much of this issue could be solved simply by widening the shoulder. As Aemon said: infrastructure. This is on backcountry roads of course. I don't mind bicyclists. Most of the time I am not bothered by them, and I always watch out for them. Especially when the speed limit is low, there is lots of stop-and-go traffic and pedestrians to watch for, etc anyway. However, there are many places in this country where it's simply dangerous (for cars and bikes alike) to have shared roadways. And I agree with Aemon's point in that respect. Many of our roads are specifically designed to just be for automobile traffic and don't include the proper shoulders/paths for safe bicycle travel. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just is.

*as in wind the watch, not wind that blows

As I noted in my response to Deadsy. To my mind, bicyclists curising merrily along at 20 or 30 mph on the shoulder of a roadway where the limit is 60+ is a tacit admission they have no business being there. Maybe they have the RIGHT to be there, maybe it's LEGAL, but just because it's legal doesn't preclude it being mindnumbingly stupid. Had I my druthers I'd probably make it illegal to ride a bike anywhere the speed limit is >40 and put bike lanes everywhere else, despite the insistence of my host last weekend that "you don't HAVE to drive the speed limit. " Yeah, sorry, but eco-concerns and convenience aside, bicycles don't belong on highways, but it seems the only ones from which they're legally barred are controlled access highways. Get off your little self righteous high horse/banana seat and show some common sense. Creating a hazard and impeding the flow of traffic isn't saving the world, it's violating two separate laws designed to keep both you and me alive.

Sorry if I got a bit tangential there, but my point is: The shoulder is not a bike lane; a BIKE LANE is a bike lane. The shoulder is there for temporary/emergency stops. If anyone else tried to operate a vehicle in it for extended periods they'd be ticketed, so I'm not sure why bicyclists should get a pass.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1738 Views
Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1361 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 579 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1167 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1110 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1488 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1010 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 595 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 587 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1249 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1116 Views
This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1225 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1212 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1162 Views
I know - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1268 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1161 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1262 Views
That makes me mad. - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1238 Views
Don't be mad - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1071 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1229 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1045 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1240 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1219 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1268 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1051 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1052 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1190 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1182 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1239 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1235 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1197 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1199 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1230 Views
Re: three words: share the road - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1278 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1372 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1210 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1152 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1224 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1164 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1244 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1306 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1133 Views
Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 970 Views
Have you heard of Britain? - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1191 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 656 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 752 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1190 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1201 Views
heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1173 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1283 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1075 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1278 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1061 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1131 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1297 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1310 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1192 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1347 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1011 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 559 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 502 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1172 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1063 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1195 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1090 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1078 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1054 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 976 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1037 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1068 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1011 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1134 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1198 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1141 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1141 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 986 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1055 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1024 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 623 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1232 Views

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