Legally you may have the same right to the road as cars, but anyone with common sense can tell otherwise. Pedaling down a road meant for vehicles that can travel up to 100 miles and hour is just silly and stupid. It'd be like flying a hang glider in front of an airplane and demanding the pilot to slow down. You know why cyclists are kicked off sidewalks? Because people are walking about as fast to cyclists as cyclists are to cars. It just so happens we have to let the cyclists pedal along somewhere. Cyclists shouldn't be allowed to pedal their bikes anywhere but lanes designated for cyclists, to say you have as much right to the road as cars is like saying a hang glider has as much right to a "sky" road as an airplane.
Essentially what you're saying is "Because I am encased a ton of metal that could kill you as easily as swatting a fly, and you are unprotected and vulnerable, I don't have to obey the laws that are put in place to protect you from me". If you think that's morally acceptable, then you are seriously lacking in human decency.
Your analogy with a plane and a hang-glider is utterly nonsensical. A plane can't brake like a car can. A plane is supposed to fly at the same (extremely fast) speed for several hours at a time without changing direction. A car has to speed up, slow down, turn corners and look out for other vehicles all the time even when there aren't any cyclists around – that kind of thing is normal and expected when driving a car. Also, hang gliders do not fly at 35,000 feet, and are not allowed anywhere near airports where planes will be climbing to or descending from that height.
Car and bikes, however, are both constrained to operate at 0 feet above ground level, and have to share the same road space. This is why rules exist for both bikes and cars to show each other mutual respect for each other's needs. Cyclists are meant to keep as far to the side of the road as they can, out of the way of faster drivers, and to signal when they do have to go into the middle (e.g. to overtake a parked car or to turn into a minor road). Drivers, in return, are supposed to be aware that cyclists exist, try not to kill them, and give them the space they need in case they wobble in the wind or have to avoid a pothole. You may feel that cyclists should be somewhere other than the road, but the law says otherwise, which makes you simply wrong. If you don't like it, lobby to get the law changed; don't blame the cyclists who have to obey it. Believe it or not, we'd rather not be on the road either.
You say we shouldn't be anywhere other than cycle lanes. Well, in an ideal world that would be true. If there were cycle lanes everywhere, we would be happy never to cycle on a road ever again. But unfortunately, most of us don't live in Amsterdam. If there is a cycle lane beside the road, by all means suggest to any inconsiderate cyclists you may come across that they ought to be using it. But if, as on the vast majority of roads, there isn't, have a bit of goddamn respect for the guy who's forced to share the road with idiots like the one who yelled at Deadsy without a big metal cage and an airbag to protect him when those idiots forget to keep their eyes on the road.
You were probably yelled at because it was dark (11pm by your description) the road was empty (meaning ok to speed a little) and a bicycle was plodding along at 15mph when the car was likely aiming for over twice that. Not only was it dangerous (because it was dark--im not sure if you were wearing proper reflective gear) but it was bothersome.
If she wasn't wearing lights after dark, she deserved to be shouted at for not wearing lights, which is illegal and dangerous. But it's rather shitty of you to simply assume that she was breaking the law when you don't know. In fact, as has already been pointed out to you, she must have been easily visible because the idiot driver honked at her from quite a way back. If he has to slow down a bit and wait for a chance to get past, tough luck. It's not going to kill him to wait a few seconds. His "right" to go as fast as he legally can is not more important than a cyclist's right to be on the road at all without getting killed.
All that said, your description of the driver does sound like an unintelligent, quick to anger, just-got-back-from-a-barbecue-with-lots-of-drinks kind of guy, so I'm sure this isn't entirely your fault. I just take issue with cyclists always getting so incensed when they almost get hit or they get yelled at by drivers. It seems pretty clear to me that they have it coming to them.
Maybe if the smallest accident could leave you paralysed for life instead of simply having to pay $100 for a panel beater, you'd be a bit more annoyed at inattentive drivers. A cyclist who did idiotic things like weave around in the middle of the road and deliberately slow drivers down just to piss them off obviously would have a yelling coming to him. But how often do you see that happening? I'll bet not very often at all.
Hope this wasn't offensive to any cyclists, I'm all for the sport if it's done in the right place, safe and out of the way of motor traffic.
This is very telling. You think cycling is a sport, by which logic it shouldn't be done in the road any more than football should. Well, this news might not have reached gas-guzzling America yet, but bicycles are a mode of transport. People use them to get to work in the morning. If everyone who lived close enough did this, the population of the world would be a lot fitter and healthier, have to spend less of their hard-earned money on fuel (a lot of which comes from countries which the West would rather not be so dependent on), and climate change would be less of a worry. I don't just cycle for fun; I cycle because a bus pass is expensive, I can't afford a car and would have nowhere to keep it if I did have one, and it's actually quicker than taking a bus or car because I don't have to wait in traffic jams. There's an incidental benefit that it helps me lose weight, but I'm not a sportsperson; I'm using the best means available to me to get around the city. If you don't like it, then buy me a motorbike.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM
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Ummm
28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM
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Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM*
28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM
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Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM*
28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM
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seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM*
28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM
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That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM*
28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points.
28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM
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hey now!
28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM
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I understand that what he said offended you
28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM
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You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM*
29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM
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My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM
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Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM
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This point:
28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM
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Not in the United States.
28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM
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Highways are, of course, a different matter.
28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM
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I know
28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM
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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder.
29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
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i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access
29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM
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Maybe I should have said "modern roads."
28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM
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Perhaps.
28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM
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I think we just disagree on the necessity is all.
28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car.
29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
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The central issue is people.
29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads.
29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM
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There are TWO equally important points there:
30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
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then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM*
01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM
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Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
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...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM*
30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM
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You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then...
30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM*
01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM
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Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses.
01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM
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Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM*
02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM
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Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do.
29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist
01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM
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He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM*
01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM
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I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
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Now now, there's no need to be rude.
02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM
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Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude.
04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM
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I agree entirely.
28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM
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That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and...
28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM
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Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM
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Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM*
28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM
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In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road
28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM
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Not sure, but
28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM
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Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM*
28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM
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I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
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?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway
29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM
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Should be, but it's not.
29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM
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Question for you.
29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM
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the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical
29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM
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