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What a shame then that no one HAS started such a program. Joel Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 04:17:02 PM
To answer your first question I lived in the suburbs of spring (north houston).
Because Ghav is right, we're not talking about people who had a lot of options in the first place. To elaborate, for the most part we aren't dealing with highly educated and skilled workers with a plethora of diversified business interests in the area. This isn't a case of simply being retrained to do something else: There's not a whole lot "else" to do, so unless we want to fall back on the suggestion given to too many Katrina victims ("just move some place better!" ) that response just indicates a complete disconnect with what's actually going on there. A better comparison might be to Houston when the entire economy was sunk into oil and the bottom dropped out in the '80s, but Houston learned from that mistake and diversified before your time.

Ok so these people in the places that were affected are not educated and have no skills beyond fishing. Fine. So BP is not paying these people to help them immediately so the government should step in and give these people unemployment because that is what is comes down to for now. I absolutely agree. but once all this shit is sorted out the government should make BP reimburse them for the money they paid out. And again, if the fishing industry is destroyed there and the tourism industry isnt gonna pick up for a a long time to come, these people will have to either move of do something else for a living. IF it takes 10 years to make those waters safe for fishing shouldnt these people be trained or educated to move onto something new?

Do you remember the huge earthquake that took place in Pakistan a few years back? Well over there alot fo towns were completely destroyed and people had to pack up and leave for new towns and cites, people who for generations had never left their little country bumpkin communities and were skilled in one thing or were sustenance farmers barely making it had to adapt. they lived on government and foreign aid for a while but then they had to move on. My mom adopted a few families and helped the women learn to be seamstresses and bought their husbands rickshaws and taxis so they could make a living. These are people that had been farming their own land and looking after livestock. I get it, its heartbreaking but these people will have to move on, and if BP is not doing anything to alleviate their suffering then yes, our government should step in without hesitation.
The fact we have someone in BP at which we can conveniently point a finger doesn't mitigate the hardship of millions who suddenly have their entire livelihood put on hold. Sure, they still have a place to live (until the rent's due again... ) and their kids still have schools, but the questions of how they're going to put food on the table are every bit as real as in Haiti. The differences are 1) no one's lining up to airlift them aid and 2) the US government actually has a legal obligation to assist its own CITIZENS in an emergency. It's not unreasonable at all to expect the US government to do at least as much for US citizens in US states as it does for people overseas, and they can just add the cost to the civil and criminal penalties against BP (because if I went out and poisoned half the Gulf I'd go to prison, but BP will just pay a fine. )

I agree.

We're talking about stuff that could easily be in your backyard in a month or two, or at least mine. Just the day before my mom and I met her best friend for her birthday lunch and she was expressing concern because she's getting up in years and was considering her brothers offer to move in with him and his wife--on Floridas west coast, the only part of the state the wife likes. That's kinda on hold now. I don't think relocating the entire Gulf Coast is really a viable option here. Even if the US economy were in a state to absorb millions of newly unemployed people and train them in the kind of jobs they need to support a family (which it very much isn't. ) Frankly, I've always been a little dubious of the whole "just retrain them" panacea when an industry is in crisis; other industries may need help, but they can't take on the entire workforce of, say, the auto industry, or the steel mills. Or the Gulf Coast fishermen. Even if they could, the price of labor would plummet, and while I know that's like Christmas for many on the right, it's not really good for the country.

That's more a rebuttal to your rebuttal of a rebuttal though; to answer your initial question, the reason people are asking why no benefits are being held for Gulf Coast residents is exactly what I said: 1) People in other countries don't have to wait this long for help from both the US government and its citizens during a disaster and 2) BP isn't burning up the highway to get them relief they need now either. Someone needs to step into that breach, and you'd think the government to whom these people have paid taxes for decades would be at least as quick as they are when an earthquake strikes Pakistan or Haiti, or a tsunami hits the Indian Oceans coastline. Yes, the cost should ultimately be recouped from the company liable, but we shouldn't expect these people to wait around for them to provide what they can no longer provide for themselves. To bring it on home: Your mom sponsored families in Pakistan trying to get back on their feet after the earthquake, and that's laudable; why doesn't she or someone else in the US do that for a shrimp fisherman in Mobile...?

If someone started a program to adopt a family like that here, my mom would jump on it, shes a bleeding heart that spends all my dads money on charity

Which, I believe, was the point your friend was making at the start of all this. And I'm aware Spring is a bit of a ways from Karachi (in several senses. )

At this point I would just like to note: Ow....

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Her complaint is legitimate. Why should the US government help Haitians more than US citizens? - 09/06/2010 04:25:09 AM 521 Views
Re: Her complaint is legitimate. Why should the US government help Haitians more than US citizens? - 09/06/2010 04:31:44 AM 539 Views
There are a lot people struggling right now who really can't afford to wait - 09/06/2010 04:47:26 AM 588 Views
Re: There are a lot people struggling right now who really can't afford to wait - 09/06/2010 05:15:33 AM 664 Views
That wins the award for stupid post of the month. Possibly the year. - 09/06/2010 08:31:18 AM 599 Views
They put you in charge of that award? is it like Miss USA where you pass on the title you hold? - 09/06/2010 08:47:57 AM 597 Views
I sometimes wonder where you lived in Houston. - 09/06/2010 04:24:42 PM 720 Views
Re: I sometimes wonder where you lived in Houston. - 09/06/2010 05:50:53 PM 684 Views
This isn't Karachi. - 10/06/2010 02:04:02 PM 717 Views
Re: This isn't Karachi. - 10/06/2010 03:39:30 PM 667 Views
What a shame then that no one HAS started such a program. - 10/06/2010 04:17:02 PM 652 Views
and eww im not from Karachi - 10/06/2010 03:40:56 PM 572 Views
Maybe. I'm glad to have found a legitimate successor. - 10/06/2010 01:23:56 AM 548 Views
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for posting this. - 09/06/2010 09:13:51 PM 574 Views
President Obama doesn't have the power to stop the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico - 09/06/2010 09:46:24 PM 648 Views
Re: President Obama doesn't have the power to stop the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico - 09/06/2010 10:03:52 PM 456 Views
So what exactly do you have a problem with? - 09/06/2010 10:14:30 PM 589 Views
well he does have a phone he could have used to call up the BO CEO and chat with him - 09/06/2010 10:42:07 PM 542 Views
You really don't have any credibilty left on this issue. - 10/06/2010 01:56:06 AM 571 Views
you really are a loon - 10/06/2010 05:19:56 AM 674 Views
What's funny is that companies like Haliburton are going to make bank off this disaster - 10/06/2010 06:14:07 AM 439 Views
Also there's Transocean - 10/06/2010 06:49:02 AM 514 Views
yes other evil oil companies stand to profit - 10/06/2010 02:55:33 PM 409 Views
Takes one to know one - 10/06/2010 06:18:54 AM 823 Views
He said more domestic drilling, not more offshore drilling. *NM* - 10/06/2010 08:25:14 AM 268 Views
The definition of Domestic drilling includes offshore wells. - 10/06/2010 08:32:58 AM 575 Views
You assumed something that was perhaps implied. It still doesn't hold up. *NM* - 10/06/2010 11:17:02 PM 223 Views
Sure it does. - 11/06/2010 10:17:06 AM 855 Views
all the loons say that and expect it to be true - 10/06/2010 04:15:33 PM 860 Views
And how would you know that unless you're a loon? - 11/06/2010 10:07:57 AM 910 Views
This sounds like a good idea - 10/06/2010 06:08:25 AM 595 Views
? - 10/06/2010 04:18:27 PM 483 Views
I agree. - 10/06/2010 04:37:25 AM 463 Views
Give Willie some time! - 09/06/2010 05:30:19 AM 525 Views
Willie is like 108, I am sure how much time he has left - 09/06/2010 03:22:21 PM 601 Views
Regarding the comparison to the financial crisis - 10/06/2010 02:10:44 AM 495 Views
Um, because "Big Oil" is in no danger of failing? - 10/06/2010 02:20:46 AM 466 Views
It's unclear if BP can take the hit - 10/06/2010 03:05:32 AM 458 Views
I actually agree, Free Markets should be cleaning up the oil spill. - 10/06/2010 02:57:09 AM 814 Views
Re: I actually agree, Free Markets should be cleaning up the oil spill. - 10/06/2010 03:41:34 AM 565 Views
How is this not a bailout? - 10/06/2010 04:15:18 AM 711 Views
If history is any precedent - 10/06/2010 06:18:18 AM 603 Views
The funny thing is... - 10/06/2010 06:28:26 AM 575 Views
yes lets destroy the gulf coast to make a point - 10/06/2010 05:24:12 AM 438 Views
I pray you're being sarcastic here. - 10/06/2010 02:21:17 PM 725 Views

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