To answer your first question I lived in the suburbs of spring (north houston).
I agree.
Because Ghav is right, we're not talking about people who had a lot of options in the first place. To elaborate, for the most part we aren't dealing with highly educated and skilled workers with a plethora of diversified business interests in the area. This isn't a case of simply being retrained to do something else: There's not a whole lot "else" to do, so unless we want to fall back on the suggestion given to too many Katrina victims ("just move some place better!" ) that response just indicates a complete disconnect with what's actually going on there. A better comparison might be to Houston when the entire economy was sunk into oil and the bottom dropped out in the '80s, but Houston learned from that mistake and diversified before your time.
Ok so these people in the places that were affected are not educated and have no skills beyond fishing. Fine. So BP is not paying these people to help them immediately so the government should step in and give these people unemployment because that is what is comes down to for now. I absolutely agree. but once all this shit is sorted out the government should make BP reimburse them for the money they paid out. And again, if the fishing industry is destroyed there and the tourism industry isnt gonna pick up for a a long time to come, these people will have to either move of do something else for a living. IF it takes 10 years to make those waters safe for fishing shouldnt these people be trained or educated to move onto something new?
Do you remember the huge earthquake that took place in Pakistan a few years back? Well over there alot fo towns were completely destroyed and people had to pack up and leave for new towns and cites, people who for generations had never left their little country bumpkin communities and were skilled in one thing or were sustenance farmers barely making it had to adapt. they lived on government and foreign aid for a while but then they had to move on. My mom adopted a few families and helped the women learn to be seamstresses and bought their husbands rickshaws and taxis so they could make a living. These are people that had been farming their own land and looking after livestock. I get it, its heartbreaking but these people will have to move on, and if BP is not doing anything to alleviate their suffering then yes, our government should step in without hesitation.
The fact we have someone in BP at which we can conveniently point a finger doesn't mitigate the hardship of millions who suddenly have their entire livelihood put on hold. Sure, they still have a place to live (until the rent's due again... ) and their kids still have schools, but the questions of how they're going to put food on the table are every bit as real as in Haiti. The differences are 1) no one's lining up to airlift them aid and 2) the US government actually has a legal obligation to assist its own CITIZENS in an emergency. It's not unreasonable at all to expect the US government to do at least as much for US citizens in US states as it does for people overseas, and they can just add the cost to the civil and criminal penalties against BP (because if I went out and poisoned half the Gulf I'd go to prison, but BP will just pay a fine. )
Ok so these people in the places that were affected are not educated and have no skills beyond fishing. Fine. So BP is not paying these people to help them immediately so the government should step in and give these people unemployment because that is what is comes down to for now. I absolutely agree. but once all this shit is sorted out the government should make BP reimburse them for the money they paid out. And again, if the fishing industry is destroyed there and the tourism industry isnt gonna pick up for a a long time to come, these people will have to either move of do something else for a living. IF it takes 10 years to make those waters safe for fishing shouldnt these people be trained or educated to move onto something new?
Do you remember the huge earthquake that took place in Pakistan a few years back? Well over there alot fo towns were completely destroyed and people had to pack up and leave for new towns and cites, people who for generations had never left their little country bumpkin communities and were skilled in one thing or were sustenance farmers barely making it had to adapt. they lived on government and foreign aid for a while but then they had to move on. My mom adopted a few families and helped the women learn to be seamstresses and bought their husbands rickshaws and taxis so they could make a living. These are people that had been farming their own land and looking after livestock. I get it, its heartbreaking but these people will have to move on, and if BP is not doing anything to alleviate their suffering then yes, our government should step in without hesitation.
The fact we have someone in BP at which we can conveniently point a finger doesn't mitigate the hardship of millions who suddenly have their entire livelihood put on hold. Sure, they still have a place to live (until the rent's due again... ) and their kids still have schools, but the questions of how they're going to put food on the table are every bit as real as in Haiti. The differences are 1) no one's lining up to airlift them aid and 2) the US government actually has a legal obligation to assist its own CITIZENS in an emergency. It's not unreasonable at all to expect the US government to do at least as much for US citizens in US states as it does for people overseas, and they can just add the cost to the civil and criminal penalties against BP (because if I went out and poisoned half the Gulf I'd go to prison, but BP will just pay a fine. )
I agree.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
A friend on FB asked why there were no "Save the Gulf" concerts
09/06/2010 03:13:52 AM
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Her complaint is legitimate. Why should the US government help Haitians more than US citizens?
09/06/2010 04:25:09 AM
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Re: Her complaint is legitimate. Why should the US government help Haitians more than US citizens?
09/06/2010 04:31:44 AM
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There are a lot people struggling right now who really can't afford to wait
09/06/2010 04:47:26 AM
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I agree with you. That was what I was thinking. But you said it better. *NM*
09/06/2010 05:07:44 AM
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Re: There are a lot people struggling right now who really can't afford to wait
09/06/2010 05:15:33 AM
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That wins the award for stupid post of the month. Possibly the year.
09/06/2010 08:31:18 AM
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They put you in charge of that award? is it like Miss USA where you pass on the title you hold?
09/06/2010 08:47:57 AM
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I sometimes wonder where you lived in Houston.
09/06/2010 04:24:42 PM
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Re: I sometimes wonder where you lived in Houston.
09/06/2010 05:50:53 PM
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This isn't Karachi.
10/06/2010 02:04:02 PM
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how upset Ghavrel is getting should tell you something about what is going on down there
09/06/2010 04:34:10 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Thanks for posting this.
09/06/2010 09:13:51 PM
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President Obama doesn't have the power to stop the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico
09/06/2010 09:46:24 PM
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Re: President Obama doesn't have the power to stop the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico
09/06/2010 10:03:52 PM
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well he does have a phone he could have used to call up the BO CEO and chat with him
09/06/2010 10:42:07 PM
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You really don't have any credibilty left on this issue.
10/06/2010 01:56:06 AM
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you really are a loon
10/06/2010 05:19:56 AM
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What's funny is that companies like Haliburton are going to make bank off this disaster
10/06/2010 06:14:07 AM
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Takes one to know one
10/06/2010 06:18:54 AM
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He said more domestic drilling, not more offshore drilling. *NM*
10/06/2010 08:25:14 AM
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The definition of Domestic drilling includes offshore wells.
10/06/2010 08:32:58 AM
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no the main subject of the thread was should there be an aids benefit for the people affected *NM*
10/06/2010 04:16:47 PM
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You assumed something that was perhaps implied. It still doesn't hold up. *NM*
10/06/2010 11:17:02 PM
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this is human crisis not just an excuse to beat an oil company over the head with a stick
09/06/2010 02:38:06 PM
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i don't think the US government has ever organized a benefit concert.... *NM*
09/06/2010 04:18:39 PM
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I do believe they were involved in the text donations program *NM*
09/06/2010 04:29:42 PM
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I somewhat doubt it. But I wasn't responding to that part of her post.
10/06/2010 01:26:26 AM
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Regarding the comparison to the financial crisis
10/06/2010 02:10:44 AM
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I actually agree, Free Markets should be cleaning up the oil spill.
10/06/2010 02:57:09 AM
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Re: I actually agree, Free Markets should be cleaning up the oil spill.
10/06/2010 03:41:34 AM
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How is this not a bailout?
10/06/2010 04:15:18 AM
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yes lets destroy the gulf coast to make a point
10/06/2010 05:24:12 AM
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I'm simply following laissez-faire capitalism and unfettered free-market ideology?
10/06/2010 06:39:19 AM
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maybe if you tried to understand it you would do a better job of making fun of it
10/06/2010 04:21:46 PM
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