The current basic regulations are not enough, that's the point
Libby Send a noteboard - 03/06/2010 10:15:19 AM
BP spent years battling federal regulators over how many layers of safeguards would be needed to prevent a deepwater well from this type of accident. One area of immediate concern was the lack of a remote system that would have allowed workers to clamp shut Deepwater Horizon's wellhead so it would not continue to gush oil.
BP objected to what it called "extensive, prescriptive regulations" proposed in new rules to toughen safety standards. "We believe industry's current safety and environmental statistics demonstrate that the voluntary programs…continue to be very successful."
That was one in a series of clashes between the industry and federal regulators that began during the Clinton administration. In 2000, the federal agency that oversaw oil rig safety issued a safety alert that called added layers of backup "an essential component of a deepwater drilling system." The agency said operators were expected to have multiple layers of protection to prevent a spill. The industry aggressively lobbied against an additional layer of protection known as an "acoustic system," saying it was too costly. There was a big debate under the Bush administration whether or not to require additional oil drilling safeguards but decided not to require any additional mandatory safeguards, believing the industry would be motivated to do it themselves - that obviously wasn't the case
Oh, I'm sorry, my bad. I would have sworn the Valdez was about a tanker crash. I didn't know it was about unsafely operating offshore wells. No...no...wait. It was about a crash and unsafe operations of a tanker. Yeah, you're right, they didn't learn anything from that. We've had what, 20? 30?, tanker crashes yearly since then? Ummm. No, that's not right, either. We haven't had any crashes here since then. So....hmmmm....maybe they did learn a lesson. Just like they're sure to learn one form this incident. I know one thing I've learned from it: government workers protected by unions often don't give a shit about doing their jobs and aren't going to face any real consequences for their neglect. BP will at least pay a very real price for their actions.
Yes of course, it's all governments and those evil unionists fault this happened.
Then how about BP's Texas City Refinery explosion in 2005? I mean honestly, this is getting kind of ridiculous, how many more of these disasters do we need until we figure out, gee, regulations aren't exactly a bad thing. As for BP paying a price for their actions, I'll believe it until I see it. Personally I think they're going to fight tooth in nail in the courts, I doubt we'll see any punitive damages being paid out until 2020 if we're lucky, and hopefully that also include the interest.
BP objected to what it called "extensive, prescriptive regulations" proposed in new rules to toughen safety standards. "We believe industry's current safety and environmental statistics demonstrate that the voluntary programs…continue to be very successful."
That was one in a series of clashes between the industry and federal regulators that began during the Clinton administration. In 2000, the federal agency that oversaw oil rig safety issued a safety alert that called added layers of backup "an essential component of a deepwater drilling system." The agency said operators were expected to have multiple layers of protection to prevent a spill. The industry aggressively lobbied against an additional layer of protection known as an "acoustic system," saying it was too costly. There was a big debate under the Bush administration whether or not to require additional oil drilling safeguards but decided not to require any additional mandatory safeguards, believing the industry would be motivated to do it themselves - that obviously wasn't the case
Oh, I'm sorry, my bad. I would have sworn the Valdez was about a tanker crash. I didn't know it was about unsafely operating offshore wells. No...no...wait. It was about a crash and unsafe operations of a tanker. Yeah, you're right, they didn't learn anything from that. We've had what, 20? 30?, tanker crashes yearly since then? Ummm. No, that's not right, either. We haven't had any crashes here since then. So....hmmmm....maybe they did learn a lesson. Just like they're sure to learn one form this incident. I know one thing I've learned from it: government workers protected by unions often don't give a shit about doing their jobs and aren't going to face any real consequences for their neglect. BP will at least pay a very real price for their actions.
Yes of course, it's all governments and those evil unionists fault this happened.
Then how about BP's Texas City Refinery explosion in 2005? I mean honestly, this is getting kind of ridiculous, how many more of these disasters do we need until we figure out, gee, regulations aren't exactly a bad thing. As for BP paying a price for their actions, I'll believe it until I see it. Personally I think they're going to fight tooth in nail in the courts, I doubt we'll see any punitive damages being paid out until 2020 if we're lucky, and hopefully that also include the interest.
Assuming the government is right, and 210,000 gallons of oil go into the Gulf each day...
03/06/2010 01:47:55 AM
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The estimates are always going to be rounded figures.
03/06/2010 02:23:35 AM
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True enough about activists, but the alternative energy folks have pretty good evidence now.
03/06/2010 02:30:55 AM
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Alternative energy is a pipe dream for now, though.
03/06/2010 02:40:41 AM
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So you support greater regulation and oversight of offshore oil?
03/06/2010 09:30:25 AM
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No. I support the basic safety regulations that are already in place.
03/06/2010 09:55:42 AM
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The current basic regulations are not enough, that's the point
03/06/2010 10:15:19 AM
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BP says it's already spent $990 million. The question is how many billions it will end up being. *NM*
03/06/2010 02:25:41 AM
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The fact is, no one knows how much oil has been leaking.
03/06/2010 09:48:25 AM
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Straw man alert!
03/06/2010 09:57:59 AM
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Of course, unfettered private sector can do no wrong. right?
03/06/2010 10:27:19 AM
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I prefer the more conservative number to media hyperbole.
03/06/2010 05:52:07 PM
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Well, considering the original conservative number has been proven drastically wrong.
03/06/2010 07:28:27 PM
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70,000 barrels a day is obviously hyperbole.
03/06/2010 08:45:03 PM
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But you'd agree that half-million to a million gallons is a pretty reasonable estimate?
03/06/2010 10:34:58 PM
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I think it's probably under 20,000 but could be as much as 30,000. 70,000 is way too high.
04/06/2010 12:48:03 AM
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See, just because we are european doesn't mean we're incapable of understanding...
03/06/2010 09:53:25 AM
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