I can think of a host of similar examples.
It's not "my own" interpretation. It's what the words mean; people have simply stretched that meaning to include "never gonna happen" when they don't want to come right out and admit the latter. As I said in response to Tim, language is about communication, so maybe I should respect that, but it's certainly going too far to say the was the phrase has been misapplied should SUPPLANT the literal meaning.
Definitions don't supply connotation; that's not their job. On the other hand, connotation is not denotation either. One of my favorite phrases from Jefferson is a line about how the Founding Fathers created a country where human happiness can increase indefinitely, if not infinitely; if we restrict indefinitely to the meaning you argue here that phrase is just so much gobbledygook.
I seldom use "awful" for precisely the reason you state, though it has been known to happen; usually when I do use it it's off a situation that could reasonably inspire awe. I rarely use "terrible" at all, but that's just because I rarely use it. Obviously the meanings of words change over time, but it shouldn't be arbitrary or random, and it really isn't; NAMBLA may start a campaign to make "pedophile" mean "fine upstanding citizen" but it won't make much progress. So, yes, due to the way so many people use it (as evidenced by the responses in this subthread and elsewhere) I see how the way you took it is reasonable--but that's not the ONLY way to take it; the way I meant it is at least as legitimate.
It is a common phrase that means a very specific thing. Your insistence to misuse this phrase, because you think the separate meanings of the words make it mean something else, shows a level of ignorance regarding semantics combined with a level of arrogance due placing your own interpretation above that of all others.
It's not "my own" interpretation. It's what the words mean; people have simply stretched that meaning to include "never gonna happen" when they don't want to come right out and admit the latter. As I said in response to Tim, language is about communication, so maybe I should respect that, but it's certainly going too far to say the was the phrase has been misapplied should SUPPLANT the literal meaning.
Additionally, the definitions that you found do not supply context and connotations. Indefinitely is used in the context of time with strong connotations of absolutes (as in something that goes on indefinitely will last forever/a every long time), whereas undefined is used in the area of concepts/definitions, or distance (when it's so far away you can't properly see it yet), and carries the meaning/connotation of vague much more strongly.
Definitions don't supply connotation; that's not their job. On the other hand, connotation is not denotation either. One of my favorite phrases from Jefferson is a line about how the Founding Fathers created a country where human happiness can increase indefinitely, if not infinitely; if we restrict indefinitely to the meaning you argue here that phrase is just so much gobbledygook.
Thirdly, there is no such thing as a pure meaning of a word. A word is a human construct and means what we agree on. Look at the changes in the meaning of words like awful and terrific. Or do you insist on using awful only to mean that it inspires awe in you, and that something terrific is very scary?
I seldom use "awful" for precisely the reason you state, though it has been known to happen; usually when I do use it it's off a situation that could reasonably inspire awe. I rarely use "terrible" at all, but that's just because I rarely use it. Obviously the meanings of words change over time, but it shouldn't be arbitrary or random, and it really isn't; NAMBLA may start a campaign to make "pedophile" mean "fine upstanding citizen" but it won't make much progress. So, yes, due to the way so many people use it (as evidenced by the responses in this subthread and elsewhere) I see how the way you took it is reasonable--but that's not the ONLY way to take it; the way I meant it is at least as legitimate.
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Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Meanwhile, the Wedding Is Postponed Indefinitely.
01/06/2010 09:17:35 AM
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You meant postponed until further notice
01/06/2010 10:44:30 AM
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How so?
01/06/2010 10:56:48 AM
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The phrase "postponed indefinitely" is what I'm referring to
01/06/2010 12:01:59 PM
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It IS indefinite though.
01/06/2010 12:17:07 PM
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I think the point is popular use,,,
01/06/2010 12:19:05 PM
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I'm frequently accused of prescriptivism, and don't deny it.
01/06/2010 12:22:39 PM
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You might want to cater for your audience a bit better
01/06/2010 05:07:28 PM
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They will do as they're told or be severely beaten111
01/06/2010 05:33:22 PM
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It's a phrase used in government regarding motions
01/06/2010 08:13:42 PM
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Postponed/=canceled.
01/06/2010 08:51:14 PM
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The meaning of a commonly used phrase isn't a sum of the definitions of its parts.
02/06/2010 09:28:29 AM
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It's common usage; that doesn't make it correct.
02/06/2010 05:11:17 PM
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Wow. This is the most impressive trolling I've seen in quite some time.
02/06/2010 07:42:02 PM
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No, I just have a hard time dealing with people who can't admit a simple mistake *NM*
03/06/2010 07:21:30 AM
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I must say, my first thought on reading your title was that you'd split up.
01/06/2010 11:20:45 PM
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In retrospect, I can certainly see why it would be read that way, but it's not what the words mean.
02/06/2010 01:14:20 AM
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My country is a
01/06/2010 07:09:22 PM
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One thing I learned in the USA was never to say "we met on the internet" to immigration officials.
01/06/2010 11:18:39 PM
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Well, yeah, but the alternative is to be deceptive, if not outright dishonest.
02/06/2010 01:27:17 AM
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