Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra
everynametaken Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM
I think it does a disservice to millions of students every year. College is a great way to expand your intellectual horizons. It's also a fantastic way to get exposed to other viewpoints. I think that, on balance, those are good things.
HOWEVER, we make it out to be obligatory, and it shouldn't be. It throws millions of people into debt when they could go to technical schools and get a practical education being, say, electricians, plumbers or auto mechanics. Here in New York, those people can make a LOT of money, and frankly, it makes more sense for a lot of people.
Instead, though, we pound into peoples' heads that they "have" to go to college. Like I said, if someone has the opportunity and inclination and doesn't mind the cost (one way or another), great. However, pressuring people who don't have either the opportunity or inclination to go is a terrible thing to do.
Once people get there, they have these silly ideas about the utility of totally worthless degrees in the humanities. [Anything] Studies is a great way to identify a worthless degree (unless you want to teach or know a specialized use for your degree, like working at a particular museum, etc.).
HOWEVER, we make it out to be obligatory, and it shouldn't be. It throws millions of people into debt when they could go to technical schools and get a practical education being, say, electricians, plumbers or auto mechanics. Here in New York, those people can make a LOT of money, and frankly, it makes more sense for a lot of people.
Instead, though, we pound into peoples' heads that they "have" to go to college. Like I said, if someone has the opportunity and inclination and doesn't mind the cost (one way or another), great. However, pressuring people who don't have either the opportunity or inclination to go is a terrible thing to do.
Once people get there, they have these silly ideas about the utility of totally worthless degrees in the humanities. [Anything] Studies is a great way to identify a worthless degree (unless you want to teach or know a specialized use for your degree, like working at a particular museum, etc.).
Yes, I started out my career as a mechanic and even though I wasn't a money-maker like some guys I don't think I ever made under 40k a year doing it. I know guys I went to school who are making close to 100k a year doing it, far more than many degrees will get their holders.
I moved form there to a desk job so I could go back to school and study what I found myself to be passionate about. I had a plan and knew I could do nothing with a bachelor's in psychology. I don't think most of the kids I was in classes with understood that a Masters or PhD is needed in that field. Thank God most of them will never go on to such work anyways, there are enough bad counselors out there already!
Still, I could take on the debt (about 50k now) because I 1) could afford to pay it back with the means I already have to make a living in the auto industry and 2) already have a plan to pay it back and pursue my masters. I knew very few kids in the psych department that could make either of those claims.
The debt is worth if it if the person has a plan in place. I don;t think most kids do but then again look at their parents; many of their parents are the ones who got crushed by this economic downturn because they spent too much, lived above their means, and didn't plan for down times. Like father, like son.
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One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read
30/05/2010 03:17:03 PM
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Added to which she sounds like a spoiled brat
30/05/2010 03:46:06 PM
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It's a column, not a real article... and it's more critical than you suggest.
30/05/2010 04:02:26 PM
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No it isn't.
30/05/2010 04:24:20 PM
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Re: No it isn't.
30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM
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Šertam aštakun
31/05/2010 04:14:28 AM
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Here's the saddest part ...
30/05/2010 06:10:48 PM
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Very bad life planning, and sadly, it's not an isolated case.
31/05/2010 04:01:46 AM
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Same. Humanities, while necessary, are something of a luxury given the numbers. *NM*
31/05/2010 07:35:25 AM
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Re: One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read
30/05/2010 11:36:40 PM
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Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra
31/05/2010 04:07:34 AM
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Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra
31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM
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I don't see the point in a humanities major if you aren't planning to get more than a bachelor's.
31/05/2010 07:41:40 AM
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I have a BA in English Literature.
31/05/2010 11:20:28 AM
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that's fair enough, since that's why you took it
31/05/2010 10:20:36 PM
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Heh.
01/06/2010 09:30:53 AM
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I think you mean "the government acts all brokenhearted about the amount of student debt." *NM*
01/06/2010 09:38:38 AM
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That's kind of a weak reason, though.
31/05/2010 11:11:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure I didn't use that as my reason...
31/05/2010 11:15:32 PM
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That's true, although I don't know how many jobs that's useful for.
01/06/2010 01:20:29 AM
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That's fine. And I didn't go to Uni to get a job. I went for the education.
01/06/2010 09:29:28 AM
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I want to make clear that I, as a humanities major, really do like the humanities.
01/06/2010 09:37:39 AM
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there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame
31/05/2010 01:58:39 AM
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Re: there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame
31/05/2010 02:39:14 AM
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Forget morale, the entire concept is immoral.
31/05/2010 02:52:08 AM
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Nonsense.
31/05/2010 03:01:32 AM
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that's not what you're talking about though.
31/05/2010 04:40:45 AM
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Korea has that policy and look what a nice place that is...er, wait a minute... *NM*
31/05/2010 06:08:14 AM
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So do many democratic countries across the world. And your point is what? *NM*
31/05/2010 06:36:14 AM
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We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated?
31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM
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yeah, i probably would've rethought that physics degree if there were such a program in place
31/05/2010 03:27:14 AM
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Physics degrees have a variety of applications.
31/05/2010 07:02:57 PM
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Re: Physics degrees have a variety of applications.
31/05/2010 07:59:22 PM
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you are near Denver right?
02/06/2010 09:33:06 PM
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at the time i was in wisconsin, never lived in denver before
03/06/2010 02:01:23 AM
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ugh. stupid twat.
31/05/2010 02:21:27 AM
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See, you have a plan.
31/05/2010 04:08:24 AM
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yah. she's a stupid twat. and as you've pointed out, not the only one.
31/05/2010 04:42:20 AM
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What a useless leech.
31/05/2010 02:53:24 AM
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She works for a photographer.
31/05/2010 03:03:44 AM
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