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Re: No it isn't. Legolas Send a noteboard - 30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM
The girl doesn't blame her mother, she blames the University and the bank. There is NO PLACE in the article where she blames herself.

It's open for interpretation, true. But when the interviewer asks the mother about her decision making and the mother says she feels guilty for having been naive, the daughter then says it's not her mother's fault. Which I interpret as an admission that then the blame, or a part of it anyway, is hers, but I can see how you'd interpret it differently. It's hard to say with the article just containing that one direct quote from the daughter.
The other quotes that you took out of context do not refer to her personal choices, but rather, form part of the article's indictment of the debt - the decisions were based more on "emotion than reason" because the bank was "gouging" her and the university was just taking her money.

Er, I hate to break it to you, but I didn't take anything "out of context", and those other quotes weren't ambiguous. If an article states that someone makes a borrowing decision "based more on emotion than reason", you'd have to twist it a lot indeed to deny that the article criticizes that person. Same with the "blind faith". I can see why you'd think this article places too much blame on the university and the banks and too little on the students, but you're simply wrong when you say that no blame is placed on this girl and her mother at all.
For the record, columns are articles. They just don't need to aspire to a lack of bias.

I made that remark because of the title of your post, suggesting that you blame the NYT for it. I'd say the distinction between a column and a regular article is fairly essential when you're assigning blame for a stupid article - in the case of a regular article, the newspaper has to carry at least a good part of the blame, whereas with a column, that's not really the case.
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One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read - 30/05/2010 03:17:03 PM 1164 Views
Added to which she sounds like a spoiled brat - 30/05/2010 03:46:06 PM 860 Views
I think she's still slightly below the national average. - 30/05/2010 04:26:16 PM 633 Views
I am uncertain if she is working full time. - 31/05/2010 12:57:29 AM 721 Views
Have to agree here ... - 30/05/2010 05:54:54 PM 636 Views
It's a column, not a real article... and it's more critical than you suggest. - 30/05/2010 04:02:26 PM 645 Views
No it isn't. - 30/05/2010 04:24:20 PM 668 Views
Re: No it isn't. - 30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM 641 Views
Šertam aštakun - 31/05/2010 04:14:28 AM 555 Views
I'm going to guess that wasn't very nice. - 31/05/2010 12:11:43 PM 628 Views
Subject was Akkadian, body was Sumerian. - 31/05/2010 02:27:24 PM 576 Views
Here's the saddest part ... - 30/05/2010 06:10:48 PM 722 Views
Very bad life planning, and sadly, it's not an isolated case. - 31/05/2010 04:01:46 AM 585 Views
"the best laid plans of mice and men" etc etc - 31/05/2010 05:56:22 PM 585 Views
strange that you should be surprised - 04/06/2010 06:06:19 PM 627 Views
i don't think she's saying it's someone else's fault - 30/05/2010 09:08:29 PM 618 Views
Re: One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read - 30/05/2010 11:36:40 PM 618 Views
Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra - 31/05/2010 04:07:34 AM 599 Views
Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM 571 Views
100% in your camp here. - 31/05/2010 04:35:45 AM 547 Views
I don't see the point in a humanities major if you aren't planning to get more than a bachelor's. - 31/05/2010 07:41:40 AM 747 Views
srsly. way to devalue a bachelor's degree, american society 9_9 - 31/05/2010 08:07:47 AM 546 Views
I have a BA in English Literature. - 31/05/2010 11:20:28 AM 674 Views
that's fair enough, since that's why you took it - 31/05/2010 10:20:36 PM 621 Views
Heh. - 01/06/2010 09:30:53 AM 581 Views
I think you mean "the government acts all brokenhearted about the amount of student debt." *NM* - 01/06/2010 09:38:38 AM 363 Views
Heh. True fact. *NM* - 01/06/2010 09:56:09 AM 235 Views
That's kind of a weak reason, though. - 31/05/2010 11:11:49 PM 572 Views
I'm pretty sure I didn't use that as my reason... - 31/05/2010 11:15:32 PM 592 Views
That's true, although I don't know how many jobs that's useful for. - 01/06/2010 01:20:29 AM 566 Views
That's fine. And I didn't go to Uni to get a job. I went for the education. - 01/06/2010 09:29:28 AM 760 Views
I want to make clear that I, as a humanities major, really do like the humanities. - 01/06/2010 09:37:39 AM 746 Views
I know. - 01/06/2010 09:55:41 AM 674 Views
If we're going down that path, though... - 31/05/2010 12:17:49 PM 707 Views
the bachelor requirement for professional programs... - 31/05/2010 10:22:27 PM 638 Views
Education is a form of signaling - 31/05/2010 11:02:36 PM 621 Views
I do. *NM* - 31/05/2010 11:08:27 PM 235 Views
Some of us had the best intentions and then sabotaged them - 02/06/2010 04:39:33 PM 655 Views
there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame - 31/05/2010 01:58:39 AM 559 Views
Re: there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame - 31/05/2010 02:39:14 AM 612 Views
Forget morale, the entire concept is immoral. - 31/05/2010 02:52:08 AM 592 Views
Nonsense. - 31/05/2010 03:01:32 AM 621 Views
that's not what you're talking about though. - 31/05/2010 04:40:45 AM 618 Views
No, that's called paying taxes. - 31/05/2010 07:00:21 PM 605 Views
That would be a less repulsive idea if it wasn't so very sexist. - 31/05/2010 12:19:54 PM 624 Views
Heh, had the same thought. - 31/05/2010 12:47:16 PM 524 Views
We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM 696 Views
yeah, i probably would've rethought that physics degree if there were such a program in place - 31/05/2010 03:27:14 AM 541 Views
physics BS is useless even I know that. - 31/05/2010 04:43:36 AM 526 Views
We hire people with physics degrees all the time - 31/05/2010 03:41:12 PM 524 Views
believe me, i tried - 31/05/2010 05:59:09 PM 566 Views
Physics degrees have a variety of applications. - 31/05/2010 07:02:57 PM 569 Views
Re: Physics degrees have a variety of applications. - 31/05/2010 07:59:22 PM 792 Views
you are near Denver right? - 02/06/2010 09:33:06 PM 583 Views
at the time i was in wisconsin, never lived in denver before - 03/06/2010 02:01:23 AM 569 Views
lots of high tech jobs in Texas - 04/06/2010 06:29:39 PM 555 Views
i had a tech job in texas, still no physics jobs though - 04/06/2010 07:10:29 PM 551 Views
ugh. stupid twat. - 31/05/2010 02:21:27 AM 612 Views
See, you have a plan. - 31/05/2010 04:08:24 AM 541 Views
yah. she's a stupid twat. and as you've pointed out, not the only one. - 31/05/2010 04:42:20 AM 583 Views
so stupid *NM* - 31/05/2010 02:35:19 AM 207 Views
What a useless leech. - 31/05/2010 02:53:24 AM 578 Views
She works for a photographer. - 31/05/2010 03:03:44 AM 596 Views
Women's Studies empowered her to make a victim out of herself. - 31/05/2010 05:00:38 AM 606 Views
It's not just the women - 31/05/2010 02:29:34 PM 571 Views
There used to be this thing called responsibility... - 31/05/2010 04:58:21 PM 608 Views
Re: There used to be this thing called responsibility... - 31/05/2010 07:50:17 PM 735 Views

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