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I'm not willing to try parsing how much DoD spending was and wasn't Iraq just now. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 06:27:50 PM
Obviously, this is a bit of a challenge since Wotmania is no more, but to refresh your memory, I stopped supporting Bush in 2003 when he pushed through that financial disaster called Medicare Part D.....FLUSH goes our money.


so you stopped supporting him on November of 2003 when Medicare Part D was passed but not in March 2003 when he invaded Iraq and started this unnecessary and EXPENSIVE war in Iraq that we cant ever get out of and is burning billions in tax dollars as we speak? nice.

Um, ask them before Obama took office though.... ;)


I for one have not seen any figure that doesn't do things like include our normal military operating costs that puts the price tag for Iraq at even a trillion dollars, most reliable figures have it at about 700 billion to date and likely to cost 1 trillion tops when all is said and done, adjusting for inflation WWII cost us about 5 trillion dollars, Vietnam just under a trillion, and the Korean War 1.5 trillion - not including the continued price of leaving multiple divisions there for 60 years.

I'm not fond of a lot of the deficit spending under Bush but don't tack it up to the war, nor act like that money was unjustly spent. More than half the dems voted for the invasion, and have voted for the funding. This war has not been that expensive nor has it's funding been a controversial fight between the GOP and the Dems, the latter of whom continued funding it once they gained power in '06 - need I remind you that they have had control of congress for half the time this war has been going on and racking up its tab? Don't blame our deficit woes on the war, when the deficit is well over a trillion and the annual spending is in the trillions, the hundred trillion or so we're spending specifically on Iraq each year is not the primary source of our deficit woes.

'Cos I'm headed to bed any minute, for one thing; maybe this weekend, which will supposedly be five days long (but that was as of four days ago; things have a way of changing.... ;))

But I don't give Dems a pass on inconsistent hypocrisy either; if anything I hold them to a higher standard, not because I identify with them (I actually don't, for the most part) but because Faux "News" isn't our elected political leadership (for which I thank God! :P) Senate Dems went AWOL on the Iraq war vote, and have since found it put them in a political quagmire of their own. They can't "cut and run" but they don't have any more of an end game than Bush did (near as I can tell, Bushs "end game" was the 22nd Amendment: Now THAT'S leadership! :rolleyes: ) They didn't even bother to read the IWR OR the "PATRIOT" Act, and even if Bush insisted there was no time due to emergency, they were the ones who let themselves be frightened (by poll numbers, not emergency) into rubber stamping it.

Yet at times spending on the war HAS gotten controversial and adversarial; again, it was a bill much like the one Faux is criticizing here that Kerry voted against, saying, "I actually voted for the bill before I voted against it" (because of the spending amendments) and considering that was the rallying cry of those calling him "unfit for command" I'd say there was a little controversy and opposition, however belated. It also illustrates why Congressional Dems, even when they had a majority, didn't fight Bush more on Iraq spending: Because whatever their basis for doing so, it would have been characterized as "voting against the troops. "
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US Debt Hits $13T - But Spending Spree in DC Continues..... trzaska2000 - 26/05/2010 05:09:48 PM 920 Views
Look who finally remembered they oppose federal deficits. Joel - 26/05/2010 05:26:30 PM 542 Views
Silly Joel.....please find the posts where I supported GWB's deficit spending. trzaska2000 - 26/05/2010 05:35:13 PM 599 Views
hmmm Aisha - 26/05/2010 05:40:49 PM 538 Views
That's different; spending trillions on the Iraq war is necessary national defense, just ask Fox. Joel - 26/05/2010 05:46:49 PM 740 Views
0.7 Trillion doesn't usually qualify as 'Trillions' Isaac - 26/05/2010 06:16:15 PM 685 Views
I'm not willing to try parsing how much DoD spending was and wasn't Iraq just now. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:27:50 PM 649 Views
You can knock off the "Faux News" stuff, makes you sound like you've been hanging at Daily Kos Isaac - 26/05/2010 07:06:16 PM 704 Views
umm ok. Aisha - 26/05/2010 07:26:02 PM 756 Views
A Fox News person was involved in writing the article so it sent him into a tissy fit random thoughts - 26/05/2010 10:56:35 PM 509 Views
Well, they annoyed the hell out of me by "accusing" Dems of something they supported for 5 years. Joel - 27/05/2010 03:30:08 PM 727 Views
ok now you are just making stuff up random thoughts - 27/05/2010 08:11:39 PM 969 Views
This would sound better if you didn't say yourself the support was mostly fake Isaac - 28/05/2010 01:05:44 PM 710 Views
I thought overthrowing Saddam was fine.....and it worked out very well. trzaska2000 - 26/05/2010 06:37:31 PM 508 Views
I'll take what comfort I can from this. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:45:53 PM 599 Views
"They" plural. Joel - 26/05/2010 05:45:48 PM 763 Views
you are so full of crap random thoughts - 26/05/2010 05:59:47 PM 562 Views
Oh, they weren't silent; they were quite vocal in their endorsement of the Iraq war. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 805 Views
more ranting doesn't support your argument random thoughts - 26/05/2010 06:17:22 PM 721 Views
I'll respond to the coherent part of that. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:30:07 PM 735 Views
I wish ... Nate - 26/05/2010 06:57:30 PM 708 Views
Is the NYT any better pieces slandering McCain and his wife before an election? random thoughts - 26/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 573 Views
I don't know those articles specifically. Nate - 26/05/2010 08:27:44 PM 643 Views
So my repeated use of "M$" in moondogs thread only makes things worse? Joel - 27/05/2010 03:35:06 PM 640 Views
These days I typically just say, "Fox. " Joel - 27/05/2010 03:48:40 PM 746 Views
You mean you will repsond to part that you like and ignore the part you don't because of a typo random thoughts - 26/05/2010 07:18:03 PM 679 Views
Actually, I think it was a pretty thorough response. Joel - 27/05/2010 03:57:55 PM 722 Views
then let me make is simpler random thoughts - 27/05/2010 07:23:19 PM 730 Views
I'll give Joel a little hand here... Legolas - 26/05/2010 09:14:27 PM 745 Views
commas are so over rated random thoughts - 26/05/2010 10:50:57 PM 543 Views
The second paragraph is very hard to follow unless you already have an idea what he's going to say. Joel - 27/05/2010 03:43:09 PM 652 Views
yes the good republicans spent a lot of money so democrats should spend even more argument random thoughts - 26/05/2010 05:52:57 PM 501 Views
Well, I'll certainly agree that if it's bad, it's bad whoever's doing it. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:00:20 PM 709 Views
you are attacking Fox News becuase you object to opposing views being expressed random thoughts - 26/05/2010 06:27:29 PM 710 Views
Not at all; I just expect a little consistency. Joel - 26/05/2010 06:40:07 PM 732 Views
then why not show some and admit that all the news agency were backing the war random thoughts - 26/05/2010 07:10:57 PM 711 Views
Yes, they were; most of them stopped: One of them didn't. Joel - 27/05/2010 03:08:34 PM 681 Views
so the other media outlets get a pass because the supported losing a war they supported starting? random thoughts - 27/05/2010 06:39:21 PM 556 Views
We were heading in the wrong direction already, but Obama/Dems put the pedal to the floor... trzaska2000 - 26/05/2010 06:41:48 PM 496 Views
I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power... Legolas - 26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM 684 Views
They did push the pedal further down even if they didn't start it random thoughts - 26/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 720 Views
Fair enough, I don't disagree with any of that. Legolas - 26/05/2010 10:53:32 PM 572 Views
I find this image to describe the deficits pretty useful Roland00 - 27/05/2010 01:56:29 AM 512 Views
Here is the problem with this kind of reporting... Dannymac - 27/05/2010 07:12:34 AM 646 Views
Correct Roland00 - 27/05/2010 02:11:47 PM 508 Views
The problem with that kind of logic is it is wrong random thoughts - 27/05/2010 02:19:37 PM 531 Views
Yes, that would be wrong. Dannymac - 27/05/2010 03:35:30 PM 549 Views
Based on Obama's budget, he will add more to the debt over the next 10 years..... trzaska2000 - 27/05/2010 04:10:45 PM 466 Views
Increasing the debt is a problem, yes. Dannymac - 27/05/2010 07:55:04 PM 840 Views
At least we agree that you are wrong because that is what you said random thoughts - 27/05/2010 06:50:43 PM 498 Views
And where does the rest of the money come from? Dannymac - 27/05/2010 08:12:31 PM 638 Views
No, that's for the entire Department of Defense. Legolas - 27/05/2010 08:25:28 PM 540 Views
using those numbers the war appears to be about half a drop in the bucket *NM* random thoughts - 27/05/2010 08:37:31 PM 289 Views
I wouldn't call it a drop in the bucket... Legolas - 27/05/2010 09:03:43 PM 750 Views
yeah I was just being a smart ass random thoughts - 27/05/2010 11:09:37 PM 753 Views
Re: And where does the rest of the money come from? random thoughts - 27/05/2010 10:58:59 PM 644 Views
I interpreted it as saying... Legolas - 27/05/2010 02:22:13 PM 1003 Views
Hmmm... Dannymac - 27/05/2010 03:41:15 PM 566 Views
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