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I'm saying the Cold War isn't over, since it was never about capitalism vs. communism to begin. Joel Send a noteboard - 25/05/2010 01:41:28 AM

But unless we completely capitulate open war is the form that will eventually take. I'm sure China would much prefer our capitulation, but that would just be declaring open season on America for any and all competitors. Sooner or later (hopefully the former) the powers that be will realize that. Maybe after we lose a few more Navy aircraft and their top secret technologies, while we beg them to release the crews.


~sigh~ I have to be honest here, I'm having trouble following your train of thought on this subject. Are you saying China and the United States should go to war? And this helps this helps the situation on the Korean peninsula how?

And thus we remain at war; Yeltsin and the Beijing Olympics didn't change that, though it's definitely true Russia took a big hit in our little "first one to bankruptcy loses" escalation. We didn't come out of too well either, come to that; Detente has worked out very well for the country we and the Soviets sought to use against each other. For its leadership, anyway; kidnapped children in Chinese coal mines, or Argentines killed by Chinese toothpaste sweetened with antifreeze, might see it differently. Again, as I'm sure you're aware, the Korean Conflict has never ended; we have a ceasefire. So whether we want to be or not, whether anyone in the West chooses to recall the fact, we are at war. It's a little late to decide we don't have the stomach for it, or that we can't wage it because it threatens the Seoul citizenry we've been keeping out of prison labor camps since the early fifties. You think China's been propping up North Korea all this time because they have too much disposable income? It's a war being fought on many fronts, economic, diplomatic, strategic, even the Moon. Yeah, Cold War's really over and capitalism won because of globalism. And if China has to tell North Korea to nuke L.A., or bin Laden to ship us a ticking nuke, to ensure their global dominance, they will.

The conflict continues, still without quarter. Definitely something to consider while China sells or gives nuclear weapons to the most unstable, even openly anti-American, states, blocks all attempts to prevent their acquisition by terror states and absorbs ever more American debt, capital and industry.
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Oh, by the way...has anyone noticed how close the Korean peninsula is to war? - 24/05/2010 02:04:12 PM 1071 Views
I was wondering when something would be posted about this - 24/05/2010 02:49:54 PM 773 Views
haha. I love that mental image - 24/05/2010 02:51:53 PM 681 Views
But does North Korea really listen to China that much anymore? - 24/05/2010 02:55:04 PM 708 Views
that might well be a good point - 24/05/2010 03:20:32 PM 679 Views
Very interesting point. That is a wild card. *NM* - 24/05/2010 03:27:53 PM 242 Views
The explaination I have heard... - 24/05/2010 09:05:40 PM 714 Views
I don't know... - 24/05/2010 09:49:25 PM 632 Views
No, because China doesn't want us in the region. - 25/05/2010 12:20:47 AM 670 Views
Um, wasn't that pretty much always understood? - 25/05/2010 12:08:12 AM 627 Views
yah, it doesn't look to be a good situation - 24/05/2010 02:50:08 PM 679 Views
If there were a war with North Korea the US has the resources to deal with it. - 24/05/2010 02:56:39 PM 699 Views
mm. well I don't much like that either, to be honest. - 24/05/2010 03:00:29 PM 694 Views
Wikipedia is your friend. - 24/05/2010 03:08:33 PM 856 Views
ah mk. Thanks!! - 24/05/2010 04:39:49 PM 642 Views
Still scary and you know that using those would escalate everything. - 24/05/2010 03:26:12 PM 651 Views
Korea is directly in our sphere of influence - 24/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 602 Views
I meant "we" in a personal sense, not a national sense. - 24/05/2010 05:36:40 PM 754 Views
In a personal sense, we could hijack a nuclear silo and shoot an ICBM at Pyongyang. - 24/05/2010 05:50:52 PM 580 Views
Oh yuck - there are far better ways. - 24/05/2010 06:01:44 PM 621 Views
yah... - 24/05/2010 06:27:37 PM 657 Views
Re: yah... - 24/05/2010 06:34:13 PM 640 Views
That would totally blow my cover of being a nerdy little grandma. - 24/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 604 Views
I don't think the US could, if China decided to get involved - 24/05/2010 08:45:23 PM 587 Views
A part of me says just get it over with - 24/05/2010 03:21:06 PM 588 Views
I agree that if war is inevitable, it is much better to start it at a time of our choosing. - 24/05/2010 03:48:36 PM 747 Views
I agree - 24/05/2010 04:17:19 PM 759 Views
Pretty much agree with all of that. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:17:27 PM 271 Views
I'm trying not to. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:25:06 PM 243 Views
This. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:28:20 PM 268 Views
I understand - 24/05/2010 06:00:09 PM 597 Views
Yes - 24/05/2010 06:05:25 PM 607 Views
i agree - 24/05/2010 06:28:37 PM 628 Views
This has disaster written all over it *NM* - 24/05/2010 08:39:37 PM 256 Views
Technically, weren't we always? - 24/05/2010 08:51:29 PM 603 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2010 12:07:32 AM 654 Views
I try to block it out with thought's of a puppet singing "I'm So Ronery". *NM* - 24/05/2010 10:59:23 PM 255 Views
No one wants to resume the Korean War. - 24/05/2010 11:27:12 PM 712 Views
China does. - 25/05/2010 12:29:11 AM 655 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 12:54:49 AM 684 Views
Well, it would be more accurate to say they want a conflict, yes. - 25/05/2010 01:15:23 AM 679 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 01:24:17 AM 666 Views
I'm saying the Cold War isn't over, since it was never about capitalism vs. communism to begin. - 25/05/2010 01:41:28 AM 707 Views
North Korea is not acting suicidal? Are you kidding? - 25/05/2010 02:41:29 AM 635 Views
The internal political dynamic in North Korea is such that they constantly need a crisis. - 25/05/2010 03:03:59 AM 655 Views
You are missing the main point. - 25/05/2010 03:36:37 AM 695 Views
I'm not saying it's nothing new. - 25/05/2010 03:57:40 AM 672 Views
Your response highlights the ultimate problem: the crisis will have to keep getting bigger. - 25/05/2010 07:44:19 PM 611 Views
Yes, that is the danger. - 26/05/2010 09:04:36 PM 754 Views
Fair enough. I misunderstood your position before. - 26/05/2010 12:31:52 AM 639 Views

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