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Re: Well. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM
It seems to me that the magazine likes to throw tanties when people are not doing what it likes. It's difficult to take them seriously.


I've not noticed it but I am not exactly a regular reader, I just see the odd article and opinion piece linked elsewhere which usually seem okay, if clearly written from a different bias to my own.

Also: being reform minded and Eurosceptical are hardly characteristics belonging only to Maggie Thatcher. It's rather infantile to suggest that they are, and that comment you quoted reeks of hyperbole.


Not as stand alone features but it is a definite leaning that way within the British political landscape to the Thatcherite "way" and being reformed minded (in the conservative sense) and Eurosceptical are probably two of the most obvious Thatcherite indicators.
I really don't think it is infantile, partly hyperbolic possibly though as he was trying to justify why his view of the party was right.

I've been reading a little more, and I don't think it's as bad as it seemed at first.

The first point against the hysteria is that it isn't about votes of no confidence, which Labour etc are saying it is. The no confidence set up stays at 50% +1.

The 55% is for dissolving the parliament and calling a new election. Seems a tolerable move if you want fixed terms. However, I agree that it certainly seems to be a somewhat desperate grab to retain power should the coalition crumble. Curious, though, that the Lib Dems are so happy to support it when really it would be about keeping power in the Conservatives' hands.


I think the Lib Dems are for it because it makes it really hard for the Tories to screw them on this and call a new election if their numbers look good - without Tory votes it is impossible to force an election but without Labout or Lib Dem votes it is impossible for the Tories to call one as well.
It should make it almost impossible for one party to pull a fast one.
The problem, which is a really big one for me, is that it seems to make sure of a Tory government for the next five years, come what may - if the Lib Dems want out, the Tories can battle on as a minority government and there is nothing that can be done to actually force the issue even if a majority want to. I'm really not a fan of that:P

Re fixed terms: 5 years is definitely too long. Maybe 4 or 4.5 would be better.


I agree on that, I would guess it is the trade off for agreeing to fixed terms - if Cameron was going to give up the power to call elections when it best suited the party, it does make sense to stay in for as long as possible. It is something that should be properly reviewed by an independent (/corss party) body and set that way.
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How to live with the Tories Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:33:49 PM 1030 Views
Her 101 reasons to love our Tory government was even better. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:42:39 PM 692 Views
That was excellent Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:48:34 PM 648 Views
That has been used a few times now snoopcester - 13/05/2010 01:27:50 PM 595 Views
Oh, well, it was new to me. Legolas - 13/05/2010 01:36:13 PM 637 Views
I do like one of the comments especially The Shrike - 13/05/2010 07:03:15 PM 588 Views
I agree. Legolas - 13/05/2010 07:11:40 PM 663 Views
What an even-handed, stereotype-free, and balanced piece of journalism. *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 02:07:35 PM 321 Views
Yup. *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:09:35 PM 294 Views
Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Legolas - 13/05/2010 02:23:16 PM 675 Views
Re: Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:30:41 PM 692 Views
Just politely ask them to leave. Joel - 13/05/2010 02:16:53 PM 585 Views
You'll survive Larry - 13/05/2010 02:54:20 PM 646 Views
Your partisanship is getting annoying, actually. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 06:55:28 PM 766 Views
I'm Rebekah and I endorse this comment. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 08:10:03 PM 668 Views
While everyone is entitled to their opinion Balwer - 13/05/2010 08:28:59 PM 710 Views
Re: While everyone is entitled to their opinion Camilla - 13/05/2010 09:28:36 PM 658 Views
I'm sorry I care about politics. Camilla - 13/05/2010 08:45:26 PM 705 Views
It's easy to complain. Actually doing something is rather more difficult. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:17:47 PM 293 Views
What do you suggest I do, pray tell? *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:19:30 PM 276 Views
Learn how to live with people who disagree with you. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:21:08 PM 611 Views
Oh, come on. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:29:38 PM 730 Views
Do you really spell it "superiour" in Britain? That's wonderful. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:37:21 PM 758 Views
Pretty please with sugar on top Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:50:48 PM 683 Views
Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:02:11 PM 653 Views
Re: Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:03:42 PM 616 Views
Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:08:48 PM 640 Views
Re: Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:11:04 PM 641 Views
I don't mind transference of anger, but let's keep my quotes accurate at least. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:15:37 PM 650 Views
See, this is what I find offensive Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:21:28 PM 645 Views
Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:30:34 PM 623 Views
Re: Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:32:29 PM 635 Views
That's kind of my point, though. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:33:51 PM 598 Views
Two posts in three days about a new Government in the country? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 11:18:06 PM 655 Views
This is so true Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:29:30 PM 620 Views
Re: This is so true Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:36:44 PM 631 Views
I could be Tory enough for both of us, if you like. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:45:41 PM 644 Views
Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:48:26 PM 618 Views
Re: Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:54:10 PM 610 Views
I hereby invite myself to the said discussion. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:13:34 PM 265 Views
I certainly wouldn't go that far. Nowhere near. *NM* Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:43:20 PM 318 Views
On the comparison or on you people's spelling? *NM* Ghavrel - 14/05/2010 12:13:42 AM 290 Views
On the comparison. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:08:17 PM 668 Views
Re: On the comparison. Camilla - 14/05/2010 01:56:00 PM 642 Views
Not for a good few centuries. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:19:36 PM 318 Views
They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:50:23 PM 602 Views
Re: They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:53:08 PM 641 Views
Eh, another time then. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:56:21 PM 669 Views
Re: Eh, another time then. Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:04:12 AM 655 Views
Oh well. The Shrike - 14/05/2010 02:48:51 AM 682 Views
I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 10:43:12 PM 745 Views
thank you. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 617 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:59:28 PM 646 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 11:16:07 PM 761 Views
I dunno. It looks to me that's what Balwer was saying with his flogged horse comment. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:18:30 PM 569 Views
I'm sorry you care more about your own political agenda than about trying to see a party in power The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:44:32 PM 572 Views
You think Tories won't go proto-Orwellian on you? Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:46:45 PM 558 Views
If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:54:53 PM 656 Views
Re: If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:58:17 PM 650 Views
If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then The Shrike - 14/05/2010 12:01:37 AM 675 Views
Re: If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:06:56 AM 673 Views
Thing is, Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:55:17 PM 638 Views
Re: Thing is, Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 740 Views
Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:01:42 AM 683 Views
Re: Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:05:15 AM 654 Views
A date "in a year's time" will be easy to remember. We have Scottish elections on 5 May 2011. Tim - 14/05/2010 12:12:26 PM 561 Views
Lets be honest Wibble - 14/05/2010 12:11:44 AM 678 Views
True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:12:36 AM 310 Views
Very true, however Mark - 14/05/2010 03:54:21 PM 710 Views
Surely a good part of that is just humour, though? Legolas - 14/05/2010 12:25:21 AM 591 Views
Part of it, yes. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 08:43:12 AM 673 Views
People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM 709 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:05:44 PM 639 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 PM 756 Views
Well. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:47:29 PM 1105 Views
Re: Well. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM 995 Views
It's the only way to judge a political party Mark - 14/05/2010 04:10:26 PM 588 Views
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