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Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 Balwer Send a noteboard - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM

And the LibDems getting a generous share of Cabinet seats (although I have to wonder where you got your total of 12 from, I've seen much larger numbers for the amount of people in the Cabinet?) does not somehow erase the imbalance in the seats. After all, if they had as many seats as their share of the vote would earn them under any kind of somewhat proportional representation, they'd be in a position to get more Cabinet seats still while not having to call it generous or somehow feel in debt to Cameron's magnanimity. And you wouldn't have to get angry about it.


There are 23, plus an additional 5 Tories who will attend.
So the Lib Dems have around 21% of the actual cabinet posts (for 23% of the vote) and not even very good ones (Scotland Secretary and Deputy Prime Minister are nothing jobs with flashy titles) - it has already emerged that Cable doesn't have the power to actually head some committees he was supposed to and Osborne will instead.


Also Cable wasn't 'supposed' to do anything, the job is a newly created role, it was purely speculative before that.

I think under the current system the share of seats is probably fair, remembering also that there is a Lib Dem MP in every ministry. If we had PR then of course they should have more, but that assumes that they would get the same amount of votes under that system, while the skeptic in me says it would be much less, as a lot of protest votes directed at the two bigger parties would be removed.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Nebhead - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1657 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Liam - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1102 Views
So what would you move to? Roland00 - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 937 Views
I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation Mark - 07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM 1036 Views
Re: So what would you move to? p hart - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1041 Views
God I hate the British system Camilla - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1073 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 558 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* Camilla - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 602 Views
Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1103 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1014 Views
They are? Where? snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1147 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1034 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 981 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1027 Views
Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM 1060 Views
That is true snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1038 Views
Re: That is true p hart - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1057 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 559 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1016 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? Tom - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1164 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1041 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1166 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though p hart - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1145 Views
King William IV indeed. Liam - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1116 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 964 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1046 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1057 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 932 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 809 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1006 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 989 Views
I'm sure he is snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1059 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1102 Views
Re: Heh. snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1100 Views
His talking about "Portillo moments" was one of the best parts of the BBC's election broadcast. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:14:11 PM 620 Views
Re: I'm sure he is p hart - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1037 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1145 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it Mark - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1151 Views
Possibly. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1168 Views
Re: Possibly. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 958 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1038 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1047 Views
Short term pain for long term gain Mark - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1134 Views
Sylvia Hermon the independent unionist would probably support them as well Mark - 07/05/2010 02:44:35 PM 1063 Views
Re: Indeed p hart - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1063 Views
Re: Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1152 Views
Well I'm fairly sure some Shinners have attended Tory conferences in the past Mark - 07/05/2010 04:05:56 PM 989 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories p hart - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1023 Views
that does sound strange AgentOrange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 984 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 996 Views
Tell me about it. Liam - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1016 Views
I liked that as well snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1073 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. Zeeb - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1043 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. Liam - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1094 Views
Zeeb - 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 973 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack p hart - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1019 Views
Same here snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 968 Views
Re: Same here p hart - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1121 Views
A simple change is all Druid - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1060 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: Tom - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1046 Views
Not that simple snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 1000 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day Mark - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1159 Views
Show off snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1001 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1153 Views
Re: Not that simple Mark - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1150 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 846 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic Mark - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1026 Views
I hate the list system. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1066 Views
There are many different versions Mark - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 986 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. p hart - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1072 Views
What's amazing is that the exit polls are actually looking astonishingly correct, now. Huh. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:35:12 PM 524 Views
As soon as i turned on the TV, i was being told the Exit polls must be wrong p hart - 07/05/2010 03:47:15 PM 973 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k Burr - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 952 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1124 Views
I like John Major Liam - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1002 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1108 Views
But p hart - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1046 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1044 Views
Until you bring Lady Thatcher back, all of your elections are just pick-the-least-offensive anyway. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:08:32 PM 530 Views
Well her son is good at starting coups, so maybe he might be hired for her return. *NM* p hart - 07/05/2010 04:28:52 PM 560 Views
Whatever it takes. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:31:13 PM 502 Views
Please no, the milk stealer is still used to frighten children in Scotland p hart - 07/05/2010 04:47:26 PM 986 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab p hart - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1009 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... Jeordam - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 992 Views
Basically... Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1026 Views
And things are changing already Werthead - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1101 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change snoopcester - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1119 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? Rebekah - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1070 Views
The latter, I'd say. Legolas - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1366 Views
Brown is PM at the moment p hart - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 997 Views
They certainly can. Werthead - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1094 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* Monkey - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 587 Views
If i were the tories p hart - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1046 Views
That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? Legolas - 07/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 1340 Views
Re: That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? p hart - 08/05/2010 06:11:38 PM 1090 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron snoopcester - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1095 Views
Hmmm Balwer - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1364 Views
Completely uncalled for! Rebekah - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1175 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? Legolas - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1459 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1058 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 Balwer - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1048 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 snoopcester - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 952 Views
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