Like I indicated, I'm not suggesting it in the American system.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/05/2010 07:53:15 PM
But still, I do think that is a better approach than testing for the "studies one embarks on" for two reasons:
1. Many if not most entering US college freshmen do not know what they want to study for 4 years. Many change their field of study from what the initially wanted to do and they would be miserable if they were stuck with the one they originally picked.
And this would be why. I am talking about our system. And certainly, in our system someone can still change their field of study - stop their current studies and start doing something else the next year or semester - but I don't see it as a huge barrier for them to take the other entrance exam, then. If necessary, of course, for fields that are relatively close together it might be waived perhaps.
2. What's the point of testing someone in what they want to study, if they haven't studied it yet?
Entrance exams don't test someone in what they want to study, obviously. They test the knowledge and the skills that they would need to have beforehand. Our med school entrance exams, for instance, largely test for high school science knowledge, with some logical reasoning and other things thrown in. Entrance exams for humanities could include language skills in those languages that were already taught in high school, critical reading and thinking skills, and the like, and mathematics for those humanities that require some. A field like mine, Middle Eastern Studies, obviously couldn't put Arabic or even historical knowledge about the region on the entrance exam, but it could put English and French (and arguably German), and critical reading/thinking tests.
They are meant to be aptitude/critical thinking type of exams. How effective they are is another matter, though.
As you can tell, I don't think very highly of them. Having a single standardized test for all students means that you end up with a test that is way too easy in the mathematics from what I've seen (which is then compensated by fierce time pressure so that getting the maximum score isn't a piece of cake for the better students, but time pressure is a poor substitute for aptitutde testing if you ask me), and the usual problems of ambiguous questions in the language parts (admittedly, this would be a trap to avoid in the humanities entrance exams I'm advocating for our system too). Unsurprisingly, I have a far higher opinion of the SAT-II tests, as those at least are allowed to be on a serious level since they're not supposed to be taken by everyone.
So the list of countries using the euro will grow longer, not shorter... Estonia to join in 2011
12/05/2010 10:51:37 PM
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Sounds like a winner
12/05/2010 11:07:38 PM
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You Americans should like Estonia - they're rather neoliberal that way.
12/05/2010 11:18:30 PM
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I liked the remark one Estonian bankofficial made
12/05/2010 11:38:26 PM
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I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
12/05/2010 11:52:41 PM
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Re: I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
13/05/2010 12:05:03 AM
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That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
13/05/2010 12:11:37 AM
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Social attitudes take a very long time to change.
13/05/2010 12:28:09 AM
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We have need-based scholarships. We could extend them.
13/05/2010 12:38:31 AM
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I guess it depends on exactly what the fees are.
13/05/2010 11:06:37 AM
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They're low. Too low.
13/05/2010 12:12:29 PM
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American universities do have entrance exams. Sort of.
13/05/2010 02:17:13 PM
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Those are really too lame to count.
13/05/2010 02:21:23 PM
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Re: Those are really too lame to count.
13/05/2010 07:32:19 PM
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Like I indicated, I'm not suggesting it in the American system.
13/05/2010 07:53:15 PM
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meh. Most degrees are useless anyway.
13/05/2010 01:14:54 AM
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That could be fixed if there weren't such stigma attached to vocational schools.
13/05/2010 02:18:40 AM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
13/05/2010 08:08:16 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
14/05/2010 11:48:22 AM
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Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
14/05/2010 05:36:50 PM
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Re: Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
14/05/2010 07:57:32 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
14/05/2010 08:02:58 PM
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naw most of them are getting degrees in liberal arts because they like to read book more then work *NM*
13/05/2010 02:01:59 PM
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Surely Sweden can say, or could have said, that they wouldn't join till they damn well felt like it?
12/05/2010 11:39:57 PM
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Apparently Denmark only got the opt-out after rejecting the Maastricht treaty.
12/05/2010 11:47:00 PM
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Good point: it seems to me no-one cares about being Belgian, only Flemish or Walloon .
12/05/2010 11:51:27 PM
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It's slightly more subtle than that.
13/05/2010 12:00:29 AM
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What do you think about this suggestion?
13/05/2010 12:09:02 AM
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That has been suggested by many, yeah.
13/05/2010 12:28:24 AM
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But before you make a decision like that...
13/05/2010 08:36:07 AM
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They can export him to another country which needs a king. Wouldn't be the first time.
13/05/2010 10:57:59 AM
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Hmm, a pan-European entity getting too big and splitting into Eastern and Western administrations...
13/05/2010 11:09:51 AM
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There is one answer to most of those questions
12/05/2010 11:49:46 PM
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I love that the rest of you have the euro.
12/05/2010 11:53:10 PM
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*waits for the Pound to drop and the UK begging for the euro* *NM*
12/05/2010 11:56:25 PM
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That would be the worst time to do it.
13/05/2010 12:05:32 AM
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I think on the balance, that's probably better than the opposite, but yeah, neither is ideal. *NM*
13/05/2010 12:14:23 AM
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WOW WHEN DID THE UK CHANGE THEIR COINS
13/05/2010 12:10:41 AM
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2008, apparently. Though I don't think we actually saw them until 2009.
13/05/2010 12:17:46 AM
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Oh. Okay. I guess the black is just a reflective thing they're doing for the photo.
13/05/2010 12:37:24 AM
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I used to use a ten-pound note to inhale...things.
13/05/2010 05:54:09 AM
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You have a thing for Charles Darwin?
13/05/2010 10:45:14 AM
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From "Mean Mr. Mustard" - "keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...such a mean old man..."
13/05/2010 02:36:34 PM
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In that case I'm going to have to disappoint you.
13/05/2010 02:54:04 PM
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I knew that, but I had limited options.
13/05/2010 03:15:07 PM
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You could try a €500 note.
13/05/2010 03:18:11 PM
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In other news, the sky is blue.
13/05/2010 03:33:25 PM
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I seem to remember reading something in 2002 about Germans paying their monthly rent in cash.
13/05/2010 03:43:35 PM
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Ooh...I'm sure THAT will shore up the eurozone... *laughs*
13/05/2010 05:51:12 AM
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Nobody said it would.
13/05/2010 12:34:27 PM
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You know what will save the eurozone ?
13/05/2010 04:55:06 PM
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