We have need-based scholarships. We could extend them.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/05/2010 12:38:31 AM
But if the comparatively few people from working-class backgrounds who want to go to university can't afford do so, things will never get any better.
Double or triple tuition fees, and they'd still be on a level with the Dutch ones, less than half of the British ones and nothing compared to American ones. Extend the scholarships to keep the price the same for those who need it, if need be. But really, this "higher education needs to be free" thing is nonsense. If the working class people don't get to university, it really isn't because of the money, it's because our secondary education system evidently isn't good enough at getting the deserving among those people in the university-aimed tracks, because somehow they are discouraged from university studies. When I'm discussing topics like this, I suddenly find myself longing for that American dream concept that I otherwise tend to be rather sceptical about.
That said, I do sometimes resent some of the 18-year-olds on my course who are getting their degree for free while I pay through the nose. Not because I don't think tuition should be free, nor because I don't think it's fair enough to charge people for a second degree, but because a lot of them take it for granted and piss around instead of doing work. We accelerated students often say to each other "Pah, you can tell who's getting their degree for free..." Using taxpayers' money to skip lectures and sit mute and unprepated in tutorials is not OK in my book.
Some figures for you to explain the problem: most university studies in Flanders (not sure about Walloon data) have pass rates of about 50% in the first year; most of the 50% who fail will eventually get their degree with one or more years delay, but a significant amount doesn't. Of course, high failure rates in the first year is, one might argue, a necessity in a country where universities accept every student who wishes to enroll provided he has a secondary school certificate (which is one reason why I advocate entrance exams like our medicine schools have, the main reason why the pass rate is so much higher there), but it's still an enormous waste of taxpayer money.
How did this go from a post about Estonia to a post about me giving my opinion on a myriad of Belgian issues?
So the list of countries using the euro will grow longer, not shorter... Estonia to join in 2011
12/05/2010 10:51:37 PM
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Sounds like a winner
12/05/2010 11:07:38 PM
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You Americans should like Estonia - they're rather neoliberal that way.
12/05/2010 11:18:30 PM
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I liked the remark one Estonian bankofficial made
12/05/2010 11:38:26 PM
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I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
12/05/2010 11:52:41 PM
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Re: I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
13/05/2010 12:05:03 AM
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That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
13/05/2010 12:11:37 AM
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Social attitudes take a very long time to change.
13/05/2010 12:28:09 AM
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We have need-based scholarships. We could extend them.
13/05/2010 12:38:31 AM
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I guess it depends on exactly what the fees are.
13/05/2010 11:06:37 AM
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They're low. Too low.
13/05/2010 12:12:29 PM
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American universities do have entrance exams. Sort of.
13/05/2010 02:17:13 PM
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Those are really too lame to count.
13/05/2010 02:21:23 PM
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meh. Most degrees are useless anyway.
13/05/2010 01:14:54 AM
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That could be fixed if there weren't such stigma attached to vocational schools.
13/05/2010 02:18:40 AM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
13/05/2010 08:08:16 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
14/05/2010 11:48:22 AM
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Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
14/05/2010 05:36:50 PM
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Re: Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
14/05/2010 07:57:32 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
14/05/2010 08:02:58 PM
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naw most of them are getting degrees in liberal arts because they like to read book more then work *NM*
13/05/2010 02:01:59 PM
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Surely Sweden can say, or could have said, that they wouldn't join till they damn well felt like it?
12/05/2010 11:39:57 PM
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Apparently Denmark only got the opt-out after rejecting the Maastricht treaty.
12/05/2010 11:47:00 PM
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Good point: it seems to me no-one cares about being Belgian, only Flemish or Walloon .
12/05/2010 11:51:27 PM
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It's slightly more subtle than that.
13/05/2010 12:00:29 AM
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What do you think about this suggestion?
13/05/2010 12:09:02 AM
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That has been suggested by many, yeah.
13/05/2010 12:28:24 AM
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But before you make a decision like that...
13/05/2010 08:36:07 AM
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They can export him to another country which needs a king. Wouldn't be the first time.
13/05/2010 10:57:59 AM
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Hmm, a pan-European entity getting too big and splitting into Eastern and Western administrations...
13/05/2010 11:09:51 AM
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There is one answer to most of those questions
12/05/2010 11:49:46 PM
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I love that the rest of you have the euro.
12/05/2010 11:53:10 PM
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*waits for the Pound to drop and the UK begging for the euro* *NM*
12/05/2010 11:56:25 PM
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That would be the worst time to do it.
13/05/2010 12:05:32 AM
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I think on the balance, that's probably better than the opposite, but yeah, neither is ideal. *NM*
13/05/2010 12:14:23 AM
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WOW WHEN DID THE UK CHANGE THEIR COINS
13/05/2010 12:10:41 AM
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2008, apparently. Though I don't think we actually saw them until 2009.
13/05/2010 12:17:46 AM
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Oh. Okay. I guess the black is just a reflective thing they're doing for the photo.
13/05/2010 12:37:24 AM
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I used to use a ten-pound note to inhale...things.
13/05/2010 05:54:09 AM
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You have a thing for Charles Darwin?
13/05/2010 10:45:14 AM
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From "Mean Mr. Mustard" - "keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...such a mean old man..."
13/05/2010 02:36:34 PM
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In that case I'm going to have to disappoint you.
13/05/2010 02:54:04 PM
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I knew that, but I had limited options.
13/05/2010 03:15:07 PM
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You could try a €500 note.
13/05/2010 03:18:11 PM
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In other news, the sky is blue.
13/05/2010 03:33:25 PM
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I seem to remember reading something in 2002 about Germans paying their monthly rent in cash.
13/05/2010 03:43:35 PM
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Ooh...I'm sure THAT will shore up the eurozone... *laughs*
13/05/2010 05:51:12 AM
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Nobody said it would.
13/05/2010 12:34:27 PM
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You know what will save the eurozone ?
13/05/2010 04:55:06 PM
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