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Indeed snoopcester Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 01:02:01 AM
I can only assume the Tory offer of a referendum on AV remains on the table. We'll find out the full details tomorrow to see if that's been upped to full PR.


Going on what has been reported in the Guardian, it is a betrayal by a dead party. They have given up on true electoral reform in what they hope is a sop to their voters - I doubt I'm a lone in knowing it isn't.

The question is if AV is enough to carry the LibDem voters, and if the LibDems getting multiple other policies on many other fronts through is worth the price of losing the chance of full PR, given that full PR may have not been achievable in any case with either Labour or the Tories.


For me it is not enough. I think that is the case for a lot of other voters as well, I will not vote Lib Dem while this leadership is still in charge and I think that goes for quite a lot more I'm sure (hope!!) there will be a new party on the left to fill the gap in their place.
But a referendum on AV? That is nothing - the Tory press and backers will kill it dead... and it is a pretty poor excuse for reform.
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Britain has a new Prime Minister Werthead - 11/05/2010 08:12:50 PM 911 Views
Oh, right, I had totally forgotten that... Legolas - 11/05/2010 08:14:31 PM 649 Views
Nope. The Tories can form a minority government and risk the danger of collapsing. Werthead - 11/05/2010 08:18:31 PM 645 Views
That is what is being reported. From the Guardian quoting an unnamed Lib Dem MP snoopcester - 11/05/2010 08:30:52 PM 694 Views
But at the price of PR, no doubt. Legolas - 11/05/2010 08:32:02 PM 638 Views
Maybe not. Werthead - 11/05/2010 08:41:24 PM 690 Views
Not much of a price, I suspect snoopcester - 11/05/2010 08:49:38 PM 656 Views
That is the biggest danger to the LibDems. Werthead - 11/05/2010 09:10:09 PM 630 Views
Indeed. snoopcester - 11/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 723 Views
The only hope for this coalition is a constitutional change Wibble - 11/05/2010 09:13:43 PM 651 Views
Possibly. Werthead - 11/05/2010 09:21:38 PM 635 Views
The new cabinet is starting to come together. Werthead - 11/05/2010 09:46:03 PM 630 Views
Plus Secretary for Scotland to the Lib Dems - imagine that. Legolas - 11/05/2010 09:50:11 PM 702 Views
It's a sop/peacemaker role, depending how you look at it. Werthead - 11/05/2010 09:54:02 PM 627 Views
It is a pat on the head. snoopcester - 11/05/2010 10:19:14 PM 516 Views
The Tory half is depressing already snoopcester - 11/05/2010 10:13:58 PM 582 Views
Defence is now updated to Fox according to Sky snoopcester - 11/05/2010 10:54:58 PM 527 Views
Yeah, just saw that coming through. Werthead - 11/05/2010 11:00:25 PM 676 Views
That one is a surprise to me, I expected Clegg to get it in some form snoopcester - 11/05/2010 11:06:36 PM 583 Views
They're back to talking about Gove as Home Secretary. Werthead - 12/05/2010 12:01:44 AM 592 Views
Heh, he has at least been barely caught up in the expenses scandal snoopcester - 12/05/2010 12:20:46 AM 594 Views
*Raises hand* LadyLorraine - 11/05/2010 10:00:22 PM 602 Views
Tories = Conservatives Werthead - 11/05/2010 10:06:35 PM 611 Views
Re: Tories = Conservatives BlackAdder - 11/05/2010 10:17:33 PM 625 Views
Ick. Camilla - 11/05/2010 10:15:13 PM 519 Views
When will you realise that I am always right? Druid - 12/05/2010 02:12:04 AM 615 Views
Re: When will you realise that I am always right? Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:14:07 AM 495 Views
How utterly delightful. LiterateDog - 11/05/2010 10:17:15 PM 597 Views
it does make for fine entertainment *NM* damookster - 12/05/2010 04:39:50 AM 373 Views
Indeed it does *NM* AgentOrange - 12/05/2010 01:34:45 PM 260 Views
Re: How utterly delightful. Balwer - 13/05/2010 12:03:08 PM 473 Views
If you want to smile some more, The Shrike - 13/05/2010 07:10:46 PM 526 Views
hes cute. *NM* Aisha - 12/05/2010 12:11:58 AM 448 Views
And now we have a new government. The LibDems have signed up wholeheartedly. Werthead - 12/05/2010 12:16:31 AM 569 Views
And I now think I can class myself as a former Lib Dem voter snoopcester - 12/05/2010 12:33:28 AM 521 Views
No mention of it so far. Werthead - 12/05/2010 12:42:10 AM 829 Views
Indeed snoopcester - 12/05/2010 01:02:01 AM 600 Views
What would you have them do? Nebhead - 12/05/2010 09:32:57 AM 712 Views
There are more than two choices snoopcester - 12/05/2010 10:20:35 AM 685 Views
The only problem is that would mean returning a labour majority within 12 months Mark - 12/05/2010 11:36:47 AM 644 Views
Only if they met the Lib Dem price - true electoral reform snoopcester - 12/05/2010 12:30:26 PM 663 Views
They should have, since they didn't get enough important ministerial posts to compensate. Tim - 12/05/2010 01:42:07 PM 637 Views
Re: They should have, since they didn't get enough important ministerial posts to compensate. snoopcester - 12/05/2010 02:13:19 PM 673 Views
What about Northern Ireland? For the love of God, what about Northern Ireland?!?!?! *NM* Tom - 12/05/2010 05:00:37 AM 264 Views
What about it? Their parties won't be in the government. Legolas - 12/05/2010 10:27:50 AM 491 Views
Well some very interesting things happened Mark - 12/05/2010 11:45:36 AM 618 Views
That they did, but it's still largely symbolic. Legolas - 12/05/2010 01:03:31 PM 679 Views
Oh it's important to him Mark - 12/05/2010 03:00:54 PM 573 Views
I was constantly checking up on Fermanagh & South Tyrone during the recounts. Tim - 12/05/2010 01:16:50 PM 595 Views
There are no firm plans on how to deal with the north joining the republic Mark - 12/05/2010 03:19:52 PM 583 Views
I think what he means is that saying "Britain" instead of "the UK" technically excludes NI. *NM* Tim - 12/05/2010 01:06:56 PM 245 Views
Oh, right. Good point, then. *NM* Legolas - 12/05/2010 01:17:51 PM 245 Views
Exactly. *NM* Tom - 12/05/2010 08:07:06 PM 233 Views
Nick Clegg is the first ever Deputy PM without an actual ministerial role. Tim - 12/05/2010 01:22:49 PM 652 Views
Re: Nick Clegg is the first ever Deputy PM without an actual ministerial role. Yet snoopcester - 12/05/2010 01:41:12 PM 554 Views
Maybe. Tim - 12/05/2010 01:47:16 PM 586 Views
It would make a snappy title snoopcester - 12/05/2010 02:04:55 PM 474 Views
Well, he's now Lord President of the Council. Tim - 12/05/2010 08:05:33 PM 661 Views
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