We have 650 Parliamentary seats and a party needs to take 50%+1 seat to form a majority government (so 326).
What's happened is that no-one's done this. The Tories have 306, Labour 258, the Liberal Democrats 57, the Scottish National Party 6, Plaid Cymru 3 and the others (mostly the Northern Irish parties) 19.
Yesterday people were talking about the choice between the Tories as a minority government (where they form the government but can't be guaranteed to win every vote on new legislation) and a coalition/alliance between Labour and the Liberal Democrats which would govern as a majority. The problem is that the LibDems have done worse than expected, so that even if Labour and the LibDems join forces, they cannot form a majority government either (they only get to 315, and the Tories can block them with help from the smaller parties).
So the choices are that the Tories govern as a minority government, the LibDems ally with Labour and govern as a minority coalition, or the Tories ally with the LibDems and govern as a majority coalition (with 363 seats).
The problem with this last scenario is that the Tories and LibDems are ideologically opposed on many areas of policy. Most notably, they have radically different ideas on how to handle the economic crisis, and the LibDems badly want electoral reform which Tory hardliners and supporters are vehemently opposed to (though Cameron himself appears to be slightly less hardline on it). The LibDems want reform because they won 23% of the vote but only have about 9% of the seats in Parliament, so introducing a Proportional Representation system will benefit them immensely. The Tories don't want this system because it will screw them over, and may make coalition governments the norm in future elections (whilst at the moment they are very rare). Labour are lukewarm on it, but will do it to hold on to power.
As a result the most likely scenario (though the ground is shifting rapidly; no-one this morning was realistically expecting a LibDem-Tory coalition, and they are at least talking about it tonight) is that the LibDems and Labour govern as a minority coalition and win over the smaller parties with promise of voting reform (which will also benefit them), holding off the Tories in the process. Then, once the system is reformed, a fresh general election will be held, probably in 6-12 months time.
The problem with this scenario is that Gordon Brown's position will likely be untenable, so a caretaker PM who was not voted for by the British people will have to come in (unless LibDem leader Nick Clegg does it, which is a bit tricky given the LibDems' lack of mandate compared to the other parties). And the banks and international community may have a lack of confidence in this set-up, which could have ramifications given the economic situation.
Whichever way you cut it, the situation is screwed. We couldn't have made this any more difficult or awkward if we'd tried.
What's happened is that no-one's done this. The Tories have 306, Labour 258, the Liberal Democrats 57, the Scottish National Party 6, Plaid Cymru 3 and the others (mostly the Northern Irish parties) 19.
Yesterday people were talking about the choice between the Tories as a minority government (where they form the government but can't be guaranteed to win every vote on new legislation) and a coalition/alliance between Labour and the Liberal Democrats which would govern as a majority. The problem is that the LibDems have done worse than expected, so that even if Labour and the LibDems join forces, they cannot form a majority government either (they only get to 315, and the Tories can block them with help from the smaller parties).
So the choices are that the Tories govern as a minority government, the LibDems ally with Labour and govern as a minority coalition, or the Tories ally with the LibDems and govern as a majority coalition (with 363 seats).
The problem with this last scenario is that the Tories and LibDems are ideologically opposed on many areas of policy. Most notably, they have radically different ideas on how to handle the economic crisis, and the LibDems badly want electoral reform which Tory hardliners and supporters are vehemently opposed to (though Cameron himself appears to be slightly less hardline on it). The LibDems want reform because they won 23% of the vote but only have about 9% of the seats in Parliament, so introducing a Proportional Representation system will benefit them immensely. The Tories don't want this system because it will screw them over, and may make coalition governments the norm in future elections (whilst at the moment they are very rare). Labour are lukewarm on it, but will do it to hold on to power.
As a result the most likely scenario (though the ground is shifting rapidly; no-one this morning was realistically expecting a LibDem-Tory coalition, and they are at least talking about it tonight) is that the LibDems and Labour govern as a minority coalition and win over the smaller parties with promise of voting reform (which will also benefit them), holding off the Tories in the process. Then, once the system is reformed, a fresh general election will be held, probably in 6-12 months time.
The problem with this scenario is that Gordon Brown's position will likely be untenable, so a caretaker PM who was not voted for by the British people will have to come in (unless LibDem leader Nick Clegg does it, which is a bit tricky given the LibDems' lack of mandate compared to the other parties). And the banks and international community may have a lack of confidence in this set-up, which could have ramifications given the economic situation.
Whichever way you cut it, the situation is screwed. We couldn't have made this any more difficult or awkward if we'd tried.
Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats.
07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM
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So what would you move to?
07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM
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I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation
07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM
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God I hate the British system
07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM
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It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM*
07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM
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Indeed
07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM
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I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers".
07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM
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They are? Where?
07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM
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On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al.
07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM
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Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase
07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM
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The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results.
07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM
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Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results.
07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM
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I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM*
07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM
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I suspect we'll get one of those anyway.
07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM
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What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections?
07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM
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I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some.
07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM
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Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM
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Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM
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Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM
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I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn
07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM
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Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn
07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM
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I'm sure he is
07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM
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Heh.
07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM
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Re: Heh.
07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM
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His talking about "Portillo moments" was one of the best parts of the BBC's election broadcast. *NM*
07/05/2010 08:14:11 PM
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If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it
07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM
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Possibly.
07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM
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Re: Possibly.
07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM
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Sylvia Hermon the independent unionist would probably support them as well
07/05/2010 02:44:35 PM
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Re: Indeed
07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM
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Re: Indeed
07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM
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Well I'm fairly sure some Shinners have attended Tory conferences in the past
07/05/2010 04:05:56 PM
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The breakdown is pretty wack
07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM
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Tell me about it.
07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM
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I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency.
07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM
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A simple change is all
07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM
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Not that simple
07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM
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Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day
07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM
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Re: Not that simple
07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM
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PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic
07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM
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What's amazing is that the exit polls are actually looking astonishingly correct, now. Huh. *NM*
07/05/2010 03:35:12 PM
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As soon as i turned on the TV, i was being told the Exit polls must be wrong
07/05/2010 03:47:15 PM
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Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer....
07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM
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Until you bring Lady Thatcher back, all of your elections are just pick-the-least-offensive anyway. *NM*
07/05/2010 04:08:32 PM
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Well her son is good at starting coups, so maybe he might be hired for her return. *NM*
07/05/2010 04:28:52 PM
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Whatever it takes. *NM*
07/05/2010 04:31:13 PM
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Please no, the milk stealer is still used to frighten children in Scotland
07/05/2010 04:47:26 PM
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OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab
07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM
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So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on....
07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM
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Basically...
07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM
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And things are changing already
08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM
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I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister?
08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM
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If i were the tories
07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM
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That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh?
07/05/2010 11:59:58 PM
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Re: That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh?
08/05/2010 06:11:38 PM
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Hmmm
13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM
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How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post?
13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM
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Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post?
13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM
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