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I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM
I didn't feel as if my "white girl" culture was being overrun by the minorities at my school. I can see how it could be a bigger problem in somewhere like Belgium, but in the US, our "culture" is by its nature amorphous and shifting. There really is no single "American culture". For people to get all uppity (here) about "well the Mexicans are spoiling our AMERICAN CULTURE" is rather stupid of them. What is American culture? Gangsta Rap, bling and street cred? Jazz, Beethoven and California wineries? Country music, bbq and football?

American culture has always been shifting as you say, but while there have been important minority languages in the past, like German especially, it's a different situation now that communication technology and globalisation have so changed the US - and the world. And it's different in that there's a single language now that is threatening the overall dominance of English. In most places it's not a real problem as the Spanish-language speakers need English to get by, and will learn it well enough to speak it to people from different ethnic backgrounds. But for those people who live in neighbourhoods where the Spanish-language majority becomes so great and so dominant that English largely disappears from public life - as I've heard said is the case in parts of Miami and doubtlessly other places - it's quite understandable that they'd feel threatened. Just like those Flemish people in the Brussels suburbs who resent the large numbers of French-speaking people who neither need nor want to learn the local language, and resent the feeling of becoming a cultural minority in their own region. The other aspects of culture aren't much of an issue in either case, I think - in the US because American culture, especially in the border states, already has so much Hispanic and other foreign influences anyway, and in Belgium because in the end Flemings and Walloons aren't that different in most regards.
I'm from Arizona and the biggest influences we had from Mexico were culinary and decorative. The only part about the horrid "cultural takeover" I really just didn't like was the hispanic radio stations. Which, you know, are perfectly avoidable.

Highly educated and wealthy people - particularly if they are multilingual, or otherwise inclined to be cosmopolitan - are always going to be more comfortable with such a situation, because it doesn't feel as threatening to them. But that doesn't mean the problem isn't real or shouldn't be taken seriously.
Again, I can see it being a problem somewhere in Europe that's had an ancient "identity"...but in the US I think it's just looking for something to whine about.

Eh. I think it's fairly comparable.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2032 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 859 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 746 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 906 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 431 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1009 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 900 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 866 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 878 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1035 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 858 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 829 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1051 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 928 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1510 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 961 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 844 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 940 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 838 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 840 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 935 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 934 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 873 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 829 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 869 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 857 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 805 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 936 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 781 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 903 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 842 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 736 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 405 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 848 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 865 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 884 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 816 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 832 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 780 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 854 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 866 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 762 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 787 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 797 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 884 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1076 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1172 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1212 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 825 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 762 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 930 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1139 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 893 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 775 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 834 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 806 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 845 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 853 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 868 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 795 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 374 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 846 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 777 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 827 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 893 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 801 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 771 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 885 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1042 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 818 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 801 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 878 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 353 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1121 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 815 Views

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