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Re: I do. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM
As far as the drug cartel...this is going to do absolutely nothing to stem that problem. I have no idea how to address that problem, but you are right, it is absolutely insane. It seems like it has gotten progressively worse over the last 10 years. I lay much of the blame for this at our own feet. Our own war on illegal drugs has created the massively profitable market, and has also broken up many of the largest cartels. While breaking up the large cartels sounds like a good idea on paper, it seems to have left a power vacuum, which resulted in many smaller cartels struggling for power, with the end result being the increased violence that we are seeing now.

I recently hear a man speaking on NPR; I think he was a former minister for Mexico but I am not sure what ministry. He was discussing just this issue of competing cartels. He was quite critical of Calderon's "Drug War" and claimed Calderon only started it to try and prop up waning popularity (imagine a politician doing that!). I do not know if that is true or not but what this man had to say about the way the cartels used to operate was interesting.

He claimed that there used to be less cartels and that they pretty much handled their disputes with each other under the radar; not in big shootouts on the street where citizens were caught in the crossfire. Likewise, they didn't encroach too much on each other's territory; they were more interested in profits. Now, this guy claims, there are too many cartels that have formed from the ashes of the Mexican government's battles with them that some of them are out of control and retaliating with extreme measures in order to try and maintain their new found power.

I do not know if it this is a good answer but this former minister claims that probably the only way out is to try and strike a deal with several of the larger cartels (probably secretly of course) to clean up these other cartels and eliminate them in return for a wind-down of their anti-cartel campaign and return to the way things used to be (a kind of look the other way policy).

Like I said, I don't know if that is really what the Mexican government should do but one thing is clear, their anti-cartel campaign has been a miserable failure. It was curious to me that a few weeks after I heard this guy saying this I read that three (maybe it was two) main cartels have now ganged up on La Familia in an effort to wipe them out once and for all. They claim it is in retaliation but I have to wonder if this man's strategy might be being implemented at some level now.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2031 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 859 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 746 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 905 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 431 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1009 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 900 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 865 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 877 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1034 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 858 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 828 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1051 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 927 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1510 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 960 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 843 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 940 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 837 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 840 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 935 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 934 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 872 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 829 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 869 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 856 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 805 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 936 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 781 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 903 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 842 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 735 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 405 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 848 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 864 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 883 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 816 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 832 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 780 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 853 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 865 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 761 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 785 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 796 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 884 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1074 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1171 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1211 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 825 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 762 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 930 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1139 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 892 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 775 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 834 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 806 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 844 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 853 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 866 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 795 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 374 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 846 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 776 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 826 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 893 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 800 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 770 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 885 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1042 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 818 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 800 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 878 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 353 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1121 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 815 Views

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