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Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM
Live close to the Mexican border and then weigh in on the issue. Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem. Undocumented workers are only making the unemployment problem bigger. Oh, and just a little tiny note, the drug cartels involved in the drug trade from Mexico are INSANE! (By the way, people who dabble in "recreational" drugs, do you know you are furthering the slaughter of thousands of people every year?)


By the way, you do know that the continued (and failing) "War on Drugs" continues to destroy hundreds and even thousands of families every year? You do know that the continued prohibition on recreational drugs does more damage than just getting over the stupid social taboos and legalizing and regulating usage? You do know that legalizing and regulating something like marijuana alone would do more damage to the cartels than the Mexican army and the DEA can ever hope to do?

You do know that an actual plan to try and process illegal immigrants would force businesses to treat them fairly as they could take actions against unfair treatment? You do realize that trying to enforce the current laws has been a miserable failure and that these new laws don't actually do anything to change that situation? You do see that this new legislation is just political horseshit? You do know Draconian measures historically never really do anything but cause more damage?

Yes, I do know how bad things are on the border as I have friends who live in Arizona. It is a serious problem that deserves real critical thinking and brainstorming on some real solutions, not just reactionary legislation based in politics rather than good logic.

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The Arizona immigration bill thingy BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2032 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? Aisha - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1149 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 952 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 859 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 746 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... Napoleon62 - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 905 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 431 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1009 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost Roland00 - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 900 Views
It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against... everynametaken - 26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM 969 Views
Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM 850 Views
or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM 386 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border Dark Knight - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 865 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 878 Views
I do. Brian - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1034 Views
Re: I do. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 858 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar Brian - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 829 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1051 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 927 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point moondog - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1510 Views
Some thoughts Amys - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 960 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that random thoughts - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 844 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer moondog - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 940 Views
Re: Some thoughts BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 837 Views
It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM 877 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something snoopcester - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 840 Views
What I find interesting about all this... Legolas - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 935 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 934 Views
It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them snoopcester - 26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM 890 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 872 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... Elaine - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 829 Views
I don't know about the green cards LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 869 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 856 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 805 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. Elaine - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 936 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 781 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass random thoughts - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 903 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 842 Views
I meant by the courts random thoughts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 736 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 405 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM 436 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* beckstcw - 26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM 386 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* everynametaken - 26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM 409 Views
The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM* beckstcw - 27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM 405 Views
Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM 380 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 848 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 864 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. Legolas - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 883 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 816 Views
I agree with you Brian - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 832 Views
that is also true LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 780 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 853 Views
the differences really are not that minor random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 865 Views
hmm, see LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 761 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 785 Views
mmmm Tamale. LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 797 Views
When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here Legolas - 28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM 1071 Views
It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM 877 Views
a minor point.... moondog - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 884 Views
More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM* heartbreak - 26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM 348 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute Isaac - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1075 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1171 Views
you are correct moondog - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1211 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 825 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario Isaac - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 762 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? dart_board - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 930 Views
That's funny... LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1139 Views
echo chamber much? random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 892 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 775 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 834 Views
Those incidents are horrible LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 806 Views
Re: That's funny... dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 844 Views
And this law will not give them what they want LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 853 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. Libby - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 867 Views
now that's just crazy talk. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 795 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 374 Views
It will cost money Libby - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 846 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings random thoughts - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 776 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 826 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 893 Views
I will admit LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 800 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 770 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. Libby - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 885 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic random thoughts - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1042 Views
real science? LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 818 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 800 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason LadyLorraine - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 878 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* random thoughts - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 353 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll Libby - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1121 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this AgentOrange - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 815 Views
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