Last night's post dinner conversation involved the new law, since we're in AZ. And at first I am against this to the core. Absolutely. There is no reason to require this of anyone and increases the chances of racial profiling. So these were my initial thoughts going in. There were three of us and the crone asked us for our thoughts. My other friend is in her mid-fifties and has family in Phoenix. Both stressed the violence on the border. The Crone pointed out that it is almost an undeclared war regarding the state of the atmosphere. My other friend pointed out that statistically the most violent of crimes in Phoenix and the southern part of AZ is by illegals and undocumented individuals.
Then my mind goes to the thought that this now enables police to hold someone if they don't have papers and in fact actually be investigating more. There was a sense that it is known who some of the groups are, but there are no legal means to detain them or get them out of the country without initial incident. Also, this may be the prod for a critical examination and improvement of the immigration situation.
But then I'm finding out all sorts of things about AZ law that I didn't know. That there is a bill in the process right now in the State legislature that would allow law enforcement to enter a residence without a warrant merely on suspicion.
Disclaimer: I have yet to read the actual bills for either issue. So please have a couple of grains of salt.
Amys
Then my mind goes to the thought that this now enables police to hold someone if they don't have papers and in fact actually be investigating more. There was a sense that it is known who some of the groups are, but there are no legal means to detain them or get them out of the country without initial incident. Also, this may be the prod for a critical examination and improvement of the immigration situation.
But then I'm finding out all sorts of things about AZ law that I didn't know. That there is a bill in the process right now in the State legislature that would allow law enforcement to enter a residence without a warrant merely on suspicion.
Disclaimer: I have yet to read the actual bills for either issue. So please have a couple of grains of salt.
Amys
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy
26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM
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what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day?
26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM
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Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport.
26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM
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It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against...
26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM
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Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal.
26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM
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or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM*
26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM
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Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border
26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM
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Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation.
26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM
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Some thoughts
26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM
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It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former.
26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM
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Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something
26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM
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What I find interesting about all this...
26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM
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It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them
26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but...
26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM
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I don't know about the green cards
26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM
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That last point doesn't really make any sense.
26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM
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my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different.
26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass
26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM
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The law will most likely not be overturned.
26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM
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The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM*
27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM
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Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM*
27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM
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It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues.
26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM
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the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo
26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM
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I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes.
26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM
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*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue
26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM
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the differences really are not that minor
28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM
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hmm, see
28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM
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I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors
28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM
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When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here
28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM
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It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life
28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM
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More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM*
26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM
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I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute
26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM
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Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute
26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM
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Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected?
27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM
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That's funny...
27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM
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echo chamber much?
27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM
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there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights.
27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM
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Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights.
28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM
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Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona.
27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM
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activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM*
27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM
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It will cost money
27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM
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but all of that ignores the long term savings
28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM
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it's less a matter of american tourism
28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM
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if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona
28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM
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I don't see any real long term savings coming from this.
28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM
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70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic
28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM
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real science?
28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM
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I linked to it further up the thread and you responded
28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM
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