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It shows that Arizona is already lost Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM
these reactionary things happened right before a state becomes a minority majority state (where the majority of people are actually considered "minorities";). Arizona will be such a state in the next 10 to 20 years according to estimates.

But right before this switch happens, the reactionaries come out, and try to hold back the sea. It happened in California when Pete Wilson screwed the Republican Party for a Generation in that state, and it is likely to happen here in Arizona as well.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2109 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? Aisha - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1210 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 1023 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 921 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 805 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... Napoleon62 - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 967 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 449 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1070 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost Roland00 - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 963 Views
It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against... everynametaken - 26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM 1009 Views
Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM 909 Views
or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM 410 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border Dark Knight - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 903 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 928 Views
I do. Brian - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1092 Views
Re: I do. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 923 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar Brian - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 893 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1119 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 1000 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point moondog - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1570 Views
Some thoughts Amys - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 1032 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that random thoughts - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 911 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer moondog - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 1006 Views
Re: Some thoughts BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 901 Views
It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM 930 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something snoopcester - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 898 Views
What I find interesting about all this... Legolas - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 1006 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 999 Views
It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them snoopcester - 26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM 958 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 938 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... Elaine - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 890 Views
I don't know about the green cards LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 930 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 917 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 869 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. Elaine - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 1000 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 838 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass random thoughts - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 970 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 908 Views
I meant by the courts random thoughts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 814 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 426 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM 457 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* beckstcw - 26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM 406 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* everynametaken - 26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM 435 Views
The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM* beckstcw - 27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM 432 Views
Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM 402 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 905 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 929 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. Legolas - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 944 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 873 Views
I agree with you Brian - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 894 Views
that is also true LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 839 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 915 Views
the differences really are not that minor random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 934 Views
hmm, see LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 829 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 846 Views
mmmm Tamale. LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 868 Views
When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here Legolas - 28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM 1136 Views
It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM 947 Views
a minor point.... moondog - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 940 Views
More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM* heartbreak - 26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM 372 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute Isaac - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1138 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1246 Views
you are correct moondog - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1273 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 900 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario Isaac - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 836 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? dart_board - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 990 Views
That's funny... LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1212 Views
echo chamber much? random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 955 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 839 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 899 Views
Those incidents are horrible LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 871 Views
Re: That's funny... dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 906 Views
And this law will not give them what they want LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 920 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. Libby - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 931 Views
now that's just crazy talk. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 857 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 390 Views
It will cost money Libby - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 916 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings random thoughts - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 849 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 893 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 951 Views
I will admit LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 870 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 841 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. Libby - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 946 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic random thoughts - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1105 Views
real science? LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 888 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 870 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason LadyLorraine - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 940 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* random thoughts - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 376 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll Libby - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1184 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this AgentOrange - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 880 Views
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