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what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? Aisha Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM
this law is just plain inconvenient. I cant carry my passport around, i have tendency to lose important things, i keep my passport and SS card in the bank.

So apparently it will require people to carry proof of citizenship on their person, if I understand correctly.

As a non-obvious :rolleyes: US citizen, this makes me pretty uncomfortable and is yet another sign of the creeping Police State, IMO. As a friend mentioned to me, the concerns will probably be made moot by the Obamacare IDs that will be sent out :tinfoilhat: :P


Arizona Enacts Stringent Law on Immigration
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona signed the nation’s toughest bill on illegal immigration into law on Friday. Its aim is to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants.

The move unleashed immediate protests and reignited the divisive battle over immigration reform nationally.

Even before she signed the bill at an afternoon news conference here, President Obama strongly criticized it.

Speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 24 active-duty service members in the Rose Garden, he called for a federal overhaul of immigration laws, which Congressional leaders signaled they were preparing to take up soon, to avoid “irresponsibility by others.”

The Arizona law, he added, threatened “to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and our communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”

The law, which proponents and critics alike said was the broadest and strictest immigration measure in generations, would make the failure to carry immigration documents a crime and give the police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. Opponents have called it an open invitation for harassment and discrimination against Hispanics regardless of their citizenship status.

The political debate leading up to Ms. Brewer’s decision, and Mr. Obama’s criticism of the law — presidents very rarely weigh in on state legislation — underscored the power of the immigration debate in states along the Mexican border. It presaged the polarizing arguments that await the president and Congress as they take up the issue nationally.

Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that it was worried about the rights of its citizens and relations with Arizona. Cardinal Roger M. Mahony of Los Angeles said the authorities’ ability to demand documents was like “Nazism.”

As hundreds of demonstrators massed, mostly peacefully, at the capitol plaza, the governor, speaking at a state building a few miles away, said the law “represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix.”

The law was to take effect 90 days after the legislative session ends, meaning by August. Court challenges were expected immediately.

Hispanics, in particular, who were not long ago courted by the Republican Party as a swing voting bloc, railed against the law as a recipe for racial and ethnic profiling. “Governor Brewer caved to the radical fringe,” a statement by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund said, predicting that the law would create “a spiral of pervasive fear, community distrust, increased crime and costly litigation, with nationwide repercussions.”

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.

Ms. Brewer acknowledged critics’ concerns, saying she would work to ensure that the police have proper training to carry out the law. But she sided with arguments by the law’s sponsors that it provides an indispensable tool for the police in a border state that is a leading magnet of illegal immigration. She said racial profiling would not be tolerated, adding, “We have to trust our law enforcement.”

Ms. Brewer and other elected leaders have come under intense political pressure here, made worse by the killing of a rancher in southern Arizona by a suspected smuggler a couple of weeks before the State Legislature voted on the bill. His death was invoked Thursday by Ms. Brewer herself, as she announced a plan urging the federal government to post National Guard troops at the border.

President George W. Bush had attempted comprehensive reform but failed when his own party split over the issue. Once again, Republicans facing primary challenges from the right, including Ms. Brewer and Senator John McCain, have come under tremendous pressure to support the Arizona law, known as SB 1070.

Mr. McCain, locked in a primary with a challenger campaigning on immigration, only came out in support of the law hours before the State Senate passed it Monday afternoon.

Governor Brewer, even after the Senate passed the bill, had been silent on whether she would sign it. Though she was widely expected to, given her primary challenge, she refused to state her position even at a dinner on Thursday for a Hispanic social service organization, Chicanos Por La Causa, where several audience members called out “Veto!”

Among other things, the Arizona measure is an extraordinary rebuke to former Gov. Janet Napolitano, who had vetoed similar legislation repeatedly as a Democratic governor of the state before being appointed Homeland Security secretary by Mr. Obama.

The law opens a deep fissure in Arizona, with a majority of the thousands of callers to the governor’s office urging her to reject it.

In the days leading up to Ms. Brewer’s decision, Representative Raúl M. Grijalva, a Democrat, called for a convention boycott of his state.

The bill, sponsored by Russell Pearce, a state senator and a firebrand on immigration issues, has several provisions.

It requires police officers, “when practicable,” to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.

It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.

States across the country have proposed or enacted hundreds of bills addressing immigration since 2007, the last time a federal effort to reform immigration law collapsed. Last year, there were a record number of laws enacted (222) and resolutions (131) in 48 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The prospect of plunging into a national immigration debate is being increasingly talked about on Capitol Hill, spurred in part by recent statements by Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, the majority leader, that he intends to bring legislation to the Senate floor after Memorial Day.

But while an immigration debate could help energize Hispanic voters and provide political benefits to embattled Democrats seeking re-election in November — like Mr. Reid — it could also energize conservative voters.

It could also take time from other Democratic priorities, including an energy measure that Speaker Nancy Pelosi has described as her flagship issue.

Mr. Reid declined Thursday to say that immigration would take precedence over an energy measure. But he called it an imperative: “The system is broken,” he said.

Ms. Pelosi and Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland and the majority leader, have said that the House would be willing to take up immigration policy only if the Senate produces a bill first.


Helene Cooper and Carl Hulse contributed reporting from Washington.


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 23, 2010


A earlier version of this article misspelled the last name of the Arizona state senator who sponsored several provisions of the bill. He is Russell Pearce, not Pierce.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2032 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1151 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 860 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 748 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 906 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 431 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1011 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 900 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 867 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 878 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1036 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 859 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 829 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1053 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 928 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1510 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 962 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 844 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 941 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 838 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 840 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 936 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 934 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 874 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 830 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 871 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 858 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 805 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 937 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 782 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 904 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 842 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 736 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 405 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 849 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 865 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 884 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 817 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 833 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 782 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 854 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 867 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 763 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 787 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 797 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 884 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1076 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1172 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1213 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 827 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 763 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 930 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1140 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 893 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 775 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 835 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 807 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 845 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 854 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 868 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 797 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 374 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 846 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 777 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 827 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 893 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 802 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 771 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 885 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1042 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 819 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 801 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 878 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 353 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1123 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 816 Views

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