I had thought he was out.
Nope, I was trying to find what his discharge actually was under much the same reasoning as you mentioned above, turns out he's still in.
Perhaps he's in some kind of weird limbo while things are processed. The military loves that one.
Oh yeah, I've seen it takes years, especially when it's being fought and no one really wants to be the person who signs off on it. He's in the guard in New York now, transferring from active in '08, a little surprising then that as a west point grad in '03 he was still a 1LT not CPT so that is kinda raising my eyebrow.
Choi's a brave man and a good officer. He may well have made a mistake in this one by standing up for what he believes in - but you know, that kind of is what the US is based on.
Brave I'll give him, good officer I have no idea, I'm not going to pin imaginary medals or misconduct on him for his political activity. But courage is not in my opinion a trait lacking in most service members, I have never worn my uniform to any political event. I don't really want to see the man crucified over this, but I do think he and the others, especially any that are still in or haven't completed their 8 years of MSO, should apologize to the rest of us for doing this. I appreciate civil disobedience but keyword is 'civil' or 'civilian', I don't want any precedent set that this sort of thing is okay to do or every rally and protest will feature soldiers in uniform decrying this or that, from the relatively mainstream like this or a pro-choice/life rally to someone attending a Klan-meet just to be a prick. I like our current rule the way it is, keep your head down politically, don't use your uniform as political statement. I appreciate and respect what he's doing but I think he crossed the line on this.
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM
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...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM*
21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM
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Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged
21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM
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No, in or out it's a no-go
21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM
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There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars
21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM
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Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing
21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM
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I've seen it.
21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM
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Not a very fair way to look at it
21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM
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perhaps not on its own
21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM
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Sadly that's not that uncommon
21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM
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to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars
21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM
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every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM*
22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM
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Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM*
22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM
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uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville.
22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM
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The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms
21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM
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Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM*
21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM
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well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military
21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-)
21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM
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I am a Marine we have our own air support
21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff
21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The F/A18 does OK
21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM
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It's all right, but not the best choice
22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM
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Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights.
21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM*
21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM
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That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military.
21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM
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*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go.
21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM
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Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM
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Not in uniform.
21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM
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oh puhlease
21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM
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It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM
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and another thing
21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM
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I'm on their side, BUT
21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM
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Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree
21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM
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What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers.
21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM
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It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition
21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM
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A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right.
21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM
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they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM*
21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM
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Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM*
21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM
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The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached.
21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM
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The funny thing about it is
21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM
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Re: The funny thing about it is
21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM
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Actually -the question isn't right
22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM
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I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike.
21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM
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Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them.
21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM
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very true
21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM
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But these men didn't disrespect anything.
21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM
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the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same
21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
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The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly.
21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM
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And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM
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Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM
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That dude is all talk about everything.
21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM
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Well he wasn't all talk about Health care
22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM
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Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous.
22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM
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Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM*
21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM
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Wow,
21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM
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I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement.
21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM
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The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for.
21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM
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