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Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. LiterateDog Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM
While not pertinent to the current topic, and whether you like or hate the changes made they DID go through.

And that certainly wasn't an easy thing.


This is true, but he had Pelosi and a few others obsessed with who were pushing him if he'd wanted "to go weak in the knees".

I have to agree on this though. Were I president I'd have already said, "I'm the Commander and Chief and this stops now."


Yep. That would be real leadership.

And I'd have made it retroactive and restored the benefits and careers of anyone who got kicked out over this idiot policy too.


That would be awesomely cool.

Sheesh. Any moron who thinks that someone's sexual preferences influences how good a soldier they are need look no further than Thermopylae, Alexander the Great, Mithradates, or the Sacred Band of Thebes.


Mmmmm. Gay soldiers. Rowwwr. ;)

Well okay - maybe it does have an influence. If the examples I listed are taken into account (there is no question of them being believed) being gay or bisexual might well make you a BETTER soldier.

Oh and just to be fair - being a woman doesn't make you a crappy soldier either - particularly not in a world where upper body strength doesn't matter quite so much anymore. Just ask Xerxes after the Battle of Salamis.


I know, I kept using "men" in my comments. I didn't know there was a lesbian there. Where possible, women can definitely make great soldiers, straight or lesbian.

Perhaps I blocked the lesbian out 'cause that just ain't right. It's such a perversion to either not have a cock or not love cock. :D
"I'll blow whomever I want, whenever I want, as long as I can still breathe and kneel."
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM 1340 Views
...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 396 Views
Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM 850 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go Isaac - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 842 Views
There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM 782 Views
But if you aren't wearing your uniform at the bar... beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:58:33 AM 777 Views
You wear a big sign that says I'M AWESOME: ASK ME HOW *NM* beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 07:01:45 AM 362 Views
Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing Isaac - 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM 799 Views
I've seen it. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 785 Views
Not a very fair way to look at it Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM 821 Views
perhaps not on its own LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM 752 Views
Sadly that's not that uncommon SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM 864 Views
to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM 812 Views
Could be. SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:45:29 PM 779 Views
every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM* random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM 342 Views
Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM 351 Views
uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM 1010 Views
maybe I should have said stuck up college kids random thoughts - 22/04/2010 08:29:18 PM 923 Views
Uhm, no, college towns can be quite different. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 10:13:41 PM 736 Views
The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM 816 Views
Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 370 Views
I'll bet he got permission to do that though. SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:26:43 PM 797 Views
well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM 968 Views
I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-) SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM 834 Views
I am a Marine we have our own air support random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM 753 Views
Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM 790 Views
The F/A18 does OK random thoughts - 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM 718 Views
It's all right, but not the best choice SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM 787 Views
jack of all trades pretty much defines the Marines random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:13:21 PM 1148 Views
Oh not entirely SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 09:54:21 PM 1066 Views
I second that UGH *NM* Aisha - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 346 Views
Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM 763 Views
you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 375 Views
That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM 799 Views
*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM 759 Views
Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM 782 Views
Not in uniform. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM 906 Views
oh puhlease Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM 838 Views
It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM 818 Views
I agree with you, Aisha. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:15:30 PM 962 Views
and another thing Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM 814 Views
I'm on their side, BUT beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM 792 Views
Re: I'm on their side, BUT Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 860 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 393 Views
Thing is though SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM 893 Views
Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM 993 Views
What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers. Tim - 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM 755 Views
Sounds a bit like they are damned either way snoopcester - 21/04/2010 11:01:36 AM 800 Views
It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM 753 Views
A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Dannymac - 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM 869 Views
Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Aisha - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 791 Views
they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM* random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM 338 Views
Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM* Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM 307 Views
The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM 842 Views
The funny thing about it is SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM 898 Views
Re: The funny thing about it is Bored - 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM 757 Views
Actually -the question isn't right SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM 661 Views
What's bugging me is that Choi is still in Isaac - 22/04/2010 04:44:50 PM 729 Views
Is he? SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 800 Views
Apparently Isaac - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 903 Views
I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike. Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM 782 Views
Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM 780 Views
very true random thoughts - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 800 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 848 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same random thoughts - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 834 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 744 Views
And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM 773 Views
Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 799 Views
That dude is all talk about everything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM 904 Views
Well he wasn't all talk about Health care SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM 856 Views
Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. LiterateDog - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM 652 Views
Well, I'm not convinced on that SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1107 Views
and I think they will get it random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:05:07 PM 907 Views
Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 376 Views
Wow, The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 774 Views
I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement. Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM 924 Views
Le sigh. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 740 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 858 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 836 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 758 Views
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