the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
The idea that all of your actions while in uniform reflect on everyone else in uniform is pretty deeply ingrained in the military culture. So if you are out there using your uniform to make a political statement that statement reflects on everyone else who wears that uniform. It isn't a question of if the statement is wrong or right it is a question of do you have the right to speak for all the other people wearing the uniform. If they were in uniform speaking out in support of DADT I would still call their actions disrespectful because it isn’t about what they said it is about what they were wearing when they said it.
When they speak for themselves and use their military service let lend it weight that that is fine, they earned it. They can even wear clothes with military symbols on them as long as it isn’t a uniform. The uniform represent all of us and not just all of us now but all those at York Town and Iowa Jima and Hamburger Hill and they damn sure have not earned the right to speak for them.
When they speak for themselves and use their military service let lend it weight that that is fine, they earned it. They can even wear clothes with military symbols on them as long as it isn’t a uniform. The uniform represent all of us and not just all of us now but all those at York Town and Iowa Jima and Hamburger Hill and they damn sure have not earned the right to speak for them.
I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM
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...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM*
21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM
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Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged
21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM
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No, in or out it's a no-go
21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM
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There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars
21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM
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Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing
21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM
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I've seen it.
21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM
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Not a very fair way to look at it
21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM
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perhaps not on its own
21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM
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Sadly that's not that uncommon
21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM
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to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars
21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM
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every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM*
22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM
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Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM*
22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM
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uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville.
22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM
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The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms
21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM
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Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM*
21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM
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well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military
21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-)
21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM
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I am a Marine we have our own air support
21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff
21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The F/A18 does OK
21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM
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It's all right, but not the best choice
22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM
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Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights.
21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM*
21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM
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That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military.
21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM
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*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go.
21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM
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Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM
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Not in uniform.
21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM
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oh puhlease
21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM
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It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM
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and another thing
21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM
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I'm on their side, BUT
21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM
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Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree
21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM
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What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers.
21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM
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It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition
21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM
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A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right.
21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM
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they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM*
21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM
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Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM*
21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM
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The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached.
21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM
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The funny thing about it is
21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM
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Re: The funny thing about it is
21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM
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Actually -the question isn't right
22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM
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I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike.
21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM
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Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them.
21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM
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very true
21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM
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But these men didn't disrespect anything.
21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM
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the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same
21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
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The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly.
21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM
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And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM
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Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM
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That dude is all talk about everything.
21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM
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Well he wasn't all talk about Health care
22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM
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Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous.
22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM
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Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM*
21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM
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Wow,
21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM
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I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement.
21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM
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The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for.
21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM
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